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Judges(subject to change): Maverick
DEADLINE October 31, 2005 Midnight Pacific Standard Time
1) One person - one video
2) The video can't be longer than 120 sec (+ titles) and the must be less than 5MBs(there is no size limit if you host the video yourself).
3) NO EXPOSURE
4) By submitting videos you are giving 21Ace.com permission to include them on the site(with credits of course). We will probably only put the best videos up on the site. By submitting documentation in the email, you are giving 21Ace.com permission to include it on the site.
5) All videos must be submitted through the forum (either as uploaded attachment or as a post with the link to the hosted video).
Prizes(Subject to Change):
Gift Certificate worth of 25$ from MJM Magic
Note that sending documentation in the forum thread with the video is optional but highly encouraged. NO EXPOSURE DOCUMENTATION PLEASE. It is very useful to include the names of the tricks used in the video. Don't reveal the secrets unless they are entirely your own and you don't mind sharing. Writing about how long the tricks took to learn is optional. Flourishing may be incorporated in the video as long as it is coherent to the routine.
Everyone is encouraged to send in a video, even if you're not sure how good the quality is. Remember that other people might find your video extremely helpful even if you're not crazy about it.
Good luck to all!
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We'll continue to add more info to this thread so keep checking it. 
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aaaaahhhhh i want to compete so badly, but i dont have a camera (yet)! this is starting to frustrate me because i'm better at magic then flourishing and i think i might actually be able to compete. NNNNNOOOOOOOO!!!
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Is this contest just for magic or for poker/gambling sleights ?
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Can we perform in fron tof people or does it just have to be a one on one with the camera?
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ohhh a magic contest sounds pretty cool, im looking forward to seeing some of the vids for this one, and yes i am back, i havent posted in ages
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Michael Marino
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I personally think that there should be a rule saysing that you're only allowed to submit clips infront of a live spectator/audiance. I don't know about you, but I personally find most standalone magic videos (not flourishing videos) without an audiance quite boring actually. I will hopefully be able to submit a vid for this.
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I personally think that there should be a rule saysing that you're only allowed to submit clips infront of a live spectator/audiance. I don't know about you, but I personally find most standalone magic videos (not flourishing videos) without an audiance quite boring actually. I will hopefully be able to submit a vid for this.
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I'm sure you can submit either one. However, there's a 90 sec. time limit in this contest. I can't imagine many magic tricks being performed to a live audience in this time limit. Not that standalone magic would be any better. 
Standalone magic vids can be boring. But I've seen a few good ones. I would've thought that there would be a longer time limit for this contest, because it's not like flourish vids where you can fit tens of flourishes in one video, whereas magic tricks are more time consuming. I guess you could perform a bunch of card sleights one right after the other.
Michael, if your vid is not allowed in the contest I would still like to see it (as would everyone else, I'm sure).
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I personally think that there should be a rule saysing that you're only allowed to submit clips infront of a live spectator/audiance. I don't know about you, but I personally find most standalone magic videos (not flourishing videos) without an audiance quite boring actually. I will hopefully be able to submit a vid for this.
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I'm sure you can submit either one. However, there's a 90 sec. time limit in this contest. I can't imagine many magic tricks being performed to a live audience in this time limit. Not that standalone magic would be any better.
Standalone magic vids can be boring. But I've seen a few good ones. I would've thought that there would be a longer time limit for this contest, because it's not like flourish vids where you can fit tens of flourishes in one video, whereas magic tricks are more time consuming. I guess you could perform a bunch of card sleights one right after the other.
Michael, if your vid is not allowed in the contest I would still like to see it (as would everyone else, I'm sure). |
Thanks Dead, I too think the maximum vid length should be extended, however I think I might be able to squeeze in 1 of my favorite effects, Public Transit by Jay Sankey. People FREAK when they see it! Whatever I don't post for the contest, I'll try to get up for people to just watch.
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corey_cj
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i have an idea, how about we each submit 3 magic tricks in the vids instead of a 90 sec time limit
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If there is going to be a time limit, it just has to be longer than 1:30...I feel people will be rushed and the quality would go way down. A much better idea would be like corey said, but only have it be 1 or 2 tricks. 2 seems best, because then contest entrants can focus on those two and not have their decision as to what tricks to do be restricted by time.
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some people might just want to put a collaboration together of a bunch of color changes as their entry. would that count as more than 3 tricks. i think time limit is more accurate compared to number of tricks
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but, really 90 sec?
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hmm, tru, it does seem a little short. Its enough probably to get Ambitious Card, or maube even Miser's Dream (if ur quick). Ill talk to Eric about that. Thx for mentioning
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90 seconds will kill the quality of vids...at least I know for sure I'll be rushed. I think giving people whatever time they need to film one or two routines would definitely work best...
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{Deleted. Please try to aviod personal attacks. Thanks, Shadow.}
EDIT: Sorry about that Shadow. was having a bad day, and said post just really got me P.O.'ed. I'll try to watch it next time.
Now, I'd have to say that so far these seem to be the best rules ot go by:
There should be no set time limit (or something reasonable like 7 or 10 min.)
That a contestant must submit at least one but no more than two magic ROUTINES or (semi) lenghty magical effects.
I think that unless you are doing something like A Dream of Aces or likewise that in most cases having patter would hinder the effect, you must have patter.
And please make all effort to perform for a live audiance.
-Michael
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Marino and anyone else having the same concerns,
7-10 Minutes?! This is the internet, not a Magic Film Festival. It would take FOREVER to download, and even if it was reduced and compressed in size, the vid would crappy as hell, no matter what editing or camera you use. 90 seconds is short, i agree, but im saying maybe 2:00-2:30 for a time. You have to remember the bandwidth that the server can withstand. It might not take something higher than 5 Mgs (90 seconds probably). probably a max. 5 min might be what happenes, but 7-10 is "reasonable"? thats a big stretch man.
The one-two routines is good, thats what ppl will probably do anyway.
You and I both know that some of the best effects in magic can be done or ARE done completly silent. I think that would be great, having a magician being completly silent and still amaze ppl. He uses no dialogue for misdirection, etc. Id love that, so patter can be however one wants it to be. If it can be done with XCM, it can be done with Magic.
I like this line, "Make an effort to perform in front of a live audience". Ill admit, it gives a better feel for how the effect has a reaction on the audience, but realize, it is extremely difficult for ppl to get live stuff, even when trying. Would you want to put a live video of 5 min. of bombing? Getting the good stuff is pretty tricky.
Hope this clears anything up for other ppl interested in entering. Deadline is coming up pretty fast, better start getting ur magic in gear people! 
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Ok, I agree, 7-10 min. is a bit to long, I'd say 5 would be the best choice now. And you don't have ot upload to 21ace, thats why there is putfile/rapidshare and all that jazz.
-Michael
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Judges(subject to change): TBD |
I could help Judge I have 2 good friends that are professional close up magicians... I know my close up very well...
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Well,
It's half october, and I was getting a lil' bit fed up with all this disscusion and everything so I made my vid already.
It is one and a half routine, wich is slightly (not much) over 90 sec but it was the fastest I could do..
The tricks are (from first to last):
Erdanse Color Change ( S.W. Erdanase )
Snap Change ( Dai Vernon )
Invisible Palm ( Paul Harris )
Biddle Trick ( Oz Pearlman )
*note This video was not cut or edited (except for titels and music).
Have Fun Watching, I might post some random magic on here for funz
Sreen 
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hey Sreen
Thanks for the entry, I thought i'd write a review.
Any critiscm is pruely contructive (i'm sure you know that)
Erdanse Color Change ( S.W. Erdanase )
I hate to say bad but this was not a good presentation of this trick. The angles were all wrong and infact you exposed it. Your DL was a bit forced as well. I don't know it you know the push off DL if not PM me Its much more decieving and smoother.
Snap Change ( Dai Vernon )
I like this it was much much better than the ernase change. The only point id mentuion is that the close (which is a nice method as it leaves you pretty clean was again forced you spent too much time on it. The change itself was very nice.
Invisible Palm ( Paul Harris )
This was OK. because you went straight into it after the Snap change the single on the table lloked a bit off. The tent vanish was nice. The reveal was good but again it could be smoother.
Biddle Trick
I don't know if its just me but I don't like this trick. Your presentation was good and this was oprobably the best of the bunch.
I'd rather do triumph any day of the week.
Over all sreen, a good video some things need some work. i'm sure your erdnase is better than that but the angles were way off. If there is one thing I think you need to improve on most its your smoothness with the cards. you don't look comfortable with them. the best deception is if you act as tho nothing is happening and then other people won't think it is either.
anyway thanks for the vid. I think I'm definately going to enter this contest.
Jonjo
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Hey, Sreen nice video. Way to start things off for this contest, dude. I'm probably an amateur at card magic (at best), so I'll try to offer the best advice as I can.
The only thing I would criticize (constructively, of course  ) is your erdnase change. Work on the angles, as this trick is angle-sensitive. There are a few other tips I could give, but it would expose the trick. I might post a performance vid (not tutorial) just to show how it's really supposed to be done. I have seen it performed a few times here recently and people seem to have trouble with it. This is in no way a slap to anybody's face - I'm just trying to help.
Your snap change was good. The "clean-up" after the snap change is actually better than what I've seen from other videos around the internet.
Invisible palm - looked good to me.
Biddle trick - I wasn't very familiar with this trick before your video, but I liked it! Good job.
Nice video, Sreen. You're probably one of the few people who will actually enter this contest. Whenever contests come around, you'll hear people SAY they're entering, but never do. So I'm glad someone did. Maybe this will get the ball rolling a little faster.
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Thx for your critism Jonjo.
About the triumph I would sure as hell like to do that one too.. one problem. I don't know how to do a triumph
Maby if I learn it (have to know where first tho) Ill post it. I have alot more better tricks, but these would take up alot of time and I wanted to stay within the 90 sec.
Thats why i'll post soem random magic. So you can see some better tricks of me too
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Srry Dead,
It seemed we replied at the same time, so here is my repy to your post. Glad you liked the biddle. Thx for your comment on my clean-up
Yeah that why I posted the vid, i was feeling magic today and I was fed up of all the talking, it was time for action! I guess not knowing what the prize is yet influence the contestants too, but i dont care for a prize (well its nice to win one, but i just like to show vids aswell )
Hopefully some others will make movies too now
Sreen
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So just to clear the things up.
I have updated the rules so the limit now is 2 minutes.
The only judge now is Maverick and he will chose other judges if he needs them. So if you have some questions ask him.
I want to thank Homki890 for starting the idea of this contest. Sorry for not chosing you as the leader or judge on this one but you were away for a long time and you didn't respond to my pms so we had to choose another leader.
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ouch, you really bombed on that first trick there, i might put that in my vid, this will be my first contest entry, so i dont expect to win it, but yeah the rest of the vid was good btw, so keep it up nice job on the invisible palm......GREAT!!!!!!! yes, 2 min. thats more than enough timei need 
heres some moves im thinking about
my ambitouis card routine
triumph
invisible deck
mentalism-(guess the top card without looking at it)
do as i do
stripper deck
revolution coin vanish
2 card monte
colour changing aces
im gonna do them all and pick out the best ones to fit the time limit...obviously i cant fit them all in, but those i dont submit, i'll post them in the card tricks section.
good luck to you and everyone else entering!
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Maverick
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i jus want to make a post to clear up several things so
Please Read!
alright the rules are as Eric has posted, 120 seconds.
First, several people get the impression that your video has to be made up of a routine or more. This is a typical thing to do but there are other ways of presenting your video such as compiling into a video several moves such as, sleights, productions, passes, color changes, etc. This is just to give you an idea. Be creative
Second, Card and coin only, card and coin gimmicks will be permitted, you will not be judged on effect but your skill on how well you have utilized the gimmick
Next, Gambling performance that includes sleight of hand is a valid entry, but be aware this might not be as entertaining as watching a visual vanish or change
Finally, Flourishing maybe used as long as it is incorporated in the routine, if you are enterring a Compilation type video, it would not be smart to put a flourish move(s) into the compilation. You will not be deducted for enterring a flourish move, it just wont be judged if placed into the compilation otherwise the judging for flourishing will be based on how well you incorporated it into the routine
i will also fill you in on how you will be judged soon
any questions plz post in public, some people might have same questions as you
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I still think this time limit thing is bs
I'm sorry I can't do an ambitious card routine in 2 minutes...yes maybe I can do all the moves in that time but I can't use any patter or build up like I like to use. Not that I was going to do something as traditional as an ambitious card routine, I am actually thinking of something else, but this time limit crap really sucks. I'm not seeing justification for it...
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the time limit was not decided by me but i do support it strongly.
these are some of the main reasons why:
-not everyone is doing a routine as an entry for their video and 2 minutes might already be too much for those people who aren't routining
-screen has already done a 2 minute routine full of 2 routines and more proving it is enough time to do a routine
-i belong to another forum that does magic contests and there have only been 1 out of 5 entries that exceeded 2 minutes and that contestant did not place in the top 3, this shows that the time limit will generally not effect the quality of a routine
-the judge(s) must study very carefully each video, a judge will not get as thorough of a review on a 5 minute video compared to a 2 minute one
-patter is not a main factor of judging because some people might not use a patter in their video
now hypothetically speaking if someone enterred a 15 minute video of his/her routine how would we judge that according to someone who submits a 2 minute video, some type of scaling system would have to be used in order to be fair
if your routine is more than 2 minutes long then mayb you can try shortenning it or simply use another routine that is withing 2 minutes.
if the only routine you have exceeds 2 minutes than i am sorry for the inconvenience we may possibly change th time limit rule
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Sreen,
Nice vid man, u top so far! Only thing i can CC is the Erdnase, but why bother since its all been sadi already. good job, i liked it alot.
Shadow,
Thx for that coment. I feel really bad that i wasn't here for like weeks and such. Anything I can help with, give me a buzz, i wanna make up for lost time.
Marp,
If you cnt do Ambitious Card in 2 minutes, then don't do Ambitious Card. That simple my friend, that simple. And please chill down when you reply to me posts. Im trying to be civil. I can stop just as easily.
Thx to all, and I really hope I can enter,
Homki890
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It's unfortunate that there's already a dark cloud over this contest. I can kinda see it from both sides, really. Most tricks (or collection of sleights) can be performed in under 2 minutes. However, I kinda see what Marp's saying in that he should be able to submit a video that's longer than 2 minutes if he feels necessary (although if someone submits a 7 minute video, it better be outstanding). If it makes it more difficult to judge, then Marp (or whoever) will be willing to accept that.
You could also look at it as rules are rules, and a good card magician would be able to modify his routine to fit the 2 minute time limit.
During the 6th card flourish contest, I HATED the fact that there was a 90 second time limit. I could've easily fit at least 3 minutes of footage in my video. I tried to get the time limit extended, but was denied. This was fine, and I changed my routine accordingly. Everyone has to abide by the same rules, so it's not like anyone is getting an advantage over anyone else.
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Homki890
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Dead,
Wow. That was deep man.
Yeah, your points are what im saying, specially the one about a good magician being able to adjust his routine accordingly to fit the specs. Take Sreen's vid. He left out a couple parts so as to fit it in the time constraints, and yet still gave the good full impact of the final climax. It was as though that was the original wayt it was supposed to be presented.
You should enter Dead; I think ud do awesome. However, i will OWN you! (j/k good luck and may the very best triumph)
Homki890
P.S. Personally, Id like to see some original magic, stuff that uv come up with at home. Maybe thats an idea for the next contest, original magic. Wow, im thinking way too far ahead...
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DeadPeopleAllOver
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You should enter Dead; I think ud do awesome. However, i will OWN you! (j/k good luck and may the very best triumph)
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Thanks, dude. Only one problem, though. I don't really do card magic. lol So yes, you would definitely wax my ass and then some. I only know a few sleights here and there. I might get back into magic eventually though. But for now, I'll leave that to the 21ace pros.
Also, I don't think I'll be entering future contests. I'm still not sure after the last flourish contest. I'll have to chew on it a little.
Good luck to everyone who enters.
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