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LPK
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i'm interested in routines people use when cheating at poker. false shuffles and base dealing isnt groundbreaking stuff, but setting up a winning hand against a strong hand is.
i dont want this to turn into a cheating-morality war so please dont bring that issue into this thread.
what i mean is, its your deal, the hand has finished you are scooping up the cards to shuffle and the visible cards after the previous hand are on the table - the 5 comunity cards and probably 4-8 others. do you ONLY use these cards to set the deck up to deal to your advantage, or do you use peaking techniques or mucked cards from previous hands.
this has always been an issue for me. i can deal myself a winning hand using those 10 or so cards visible on the table, but i want to hear how others go about it,
i am not asking for tutorial walkthrough 'put your right indec finger.. blah blah'. i want to know routines eg: wait for J/10 or better fullhouse and redeal it so you and another player have a pocket pair, push them all in pre flop knowing you will hit a set and the turn and river will be blank.
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Sreename
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Well usually I will make soem moves that arent winning before I hit them.
This way any suspious deals or shuffles seem normal to them.
Then when the cards are there. I'll scoop em up, cull and stack my way.
And put them all-in pre flop.
Sreen 
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expertmagician
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If you want cheating routines for "gambling expose" purposes...ther are many magic books on the subject. Unfortunately, you have to dig through many books to find routines which will suit your style and skill set.
Like everything in life...it takes work and research...."there is no free lunch" or easy road to success 
Other than performing standard riffle stacks, culls, bottoms, seconds, etc. I through in routines like "Roll Over Aces", etc.
Last but not least you can also demo some dice cheating moves, such as dice switches (changing red to grren dice, etc. of switch dice for a set of mis-spots, etc.)
Trying to gather all this information will take a lifetime of dedication and practice.
Of course, you can speed things up my using marked cards, etc. Usually I use marked cards to make other skills easier and I never really expose the more sophisticated marked card techniques. For example, say that you are culling cards and really read the marked cards to tell people what yo are going to cull, etc.
I hope this helps !
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What Sreename says is somethign to keep in mind. I don't know if this will help but when I deal I create a situation when my hand has to improve on the board to win. If it doesn't improve til the turn it reduces suspicion. However I started with Sklanski before I started with sleight, so sometimes I have to abandon a hand if someone bets crazy and to call on a draw would look suspicious. I will use three of a kind about once a game, but straights and flushes are my favorite. I put four to the flush or straight in the flop and it will normally allow me to have odds to call for my draw to hit on the turn. I use riffle culling and I can get it done in more than enough time considering the games I play in we use two decks. Sometimes I'll even play the sb and take a while with my decisions just to give myself more time to cull. As far as what I give to someone else I will just make sure there are alot of high cards going out to people the rest of the players and hope a couple guys raise preflop, but I guess this is an area I need to work on. It might be different for cash games but with touraments I'll pick up about four pots all night and if they are above average I can play my way into the better part of the money. I don't try to win a ton at a time but rather to supplement my stack throughout the tourny.
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| Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:05 pm |
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Drey
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i'm interested in routines people use when cheating at poker. false shuffles and base dealing isnt groundbreaking stuff, but setting up a winning hand against a strong hand is.
Ok, first of all, setting up one hand against another isn't ground breaking either. Second, are you interested in gambling routines, gambling demonstrations, or actual cheating practices? There's quite a difference between them. Gambling routines are very much about entertainment, generally you aren't doing what you say you're doing. For example, you may perform false shuffles on a pre-stacked deck rather than legitimately stacking the deck. You may use extra cards and all kinds of advanced setup to attain the desired result. Demonstrations by contrast involve actually using the methods in question but as a demonstration, not to cheat people. The later is of course cheating people and the psychology of doing so is totally different. In routines it's easy to have incredible poker hands etc. In demonstrations it's ideal to have the best hands possible so it seems as impressive as possible. In real cheating, the best hand possible could very often get you killed. So which are you interested in?
what i mean is, its your deal, the hand has finished you are scooping up the cards to shuffle and the visible cards after the previous hand are on the table - the 5 comunity cards and probably 4-8 others. do you ONLY use these cards to set the deck up to deal to your advantage, or do you use peaking techniques or mucked cards from previous hands.
You're assuming Texas Hold'em, which has to be one of the easiest forms of poker to cheat at, so we'll work with that. It also sounds like you're talking about real cheating, or at best, complex demonstrations. Personally, I use other cards aside from the visible cards...but then again, it depends what I'm trying to do. Personally I think that in real cheating the benefits given by fairly simple almost entirely invisible methods give you a sufficient edge without the psychological concerns, to win over the long term (depending partially on how many players are in the game, whether you have a partner to work with etc.)
this has always been an issue for me. i can deal myself a winning hand using those 10 or so cards visible on the table, but i want to hear how others go about it,
It depends partially on what the circumstances are. For example, how tight the restrictions on your handling is. I like to switch it up a bit. I don't like to deal myself a winning hand on my deal too frequently, and I think that doing so from the previous discards can also be somewhat suspicious as the same combinations of cards will be showing up as in the previous hand (albeit, with some changes, but there is that cautionary side of things). Often, I would rather win on someone else's deal and for that reason I like to use mucking from time to time.
There are lots of considerations aside from the techniques itself, the psychology is terribly important. But again, I tend to prefer subtle technique over the long term as opposed to more brazen methods. There's less to get caught at, less to raise suspicions etc.
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There are lots of considerations aside from the techniques itself, the psychology is terribly important. But again, I tend to prefer subtle technique over the long term as opposed to more brazen methods. There's less to get caught at, less to raise suspicions etc. |
amen to that!
many have a romanticized idea that cheating is about being a great "mechanic." the most successful forms of cheating use marked cards, collusion and other ruses.
Yes I can do the sleights, but I agree with Drey. If this is for a demo, sure, why not use mechanics, it certainly is more spectacular looking. If this is for game play, try to be as subtle as possible.
Now, in answer to your question. I personally find it easy to use the cards on the table for the hole cards. I then like to peek for the burn and community cards, at which point I may or may not shoot a deuce or base.
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| Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:47 pm |
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thanks for the replies, all were very good
drey, to clear a few things up - i'm interested in actual cheating practices. your point about the psychology of cheating was very good, i know exactly what you mean and will take it into consideration.
i usually just wait it out untill a decent opportunity arises, it can be tedious but im happy to win that one or two big pots for the night and play straight every other hand to avoid suspicion, i can hold my own at the table playing straight so the big pot i win via my deal more than makes up for any losses for the night
what do you guys think about using a cold deck? it worked once for me due the the lack of attention on the dealer by other players, and the fact that i had the same deck in my car. i really like the idea of a cold deck as you can maximise your win and it only takes one deal to do so. by playing straight all night, and even losing money your one big win wont looks suspicious at all. i've found the biggest problem though is bringing the right deck to the game, even with 100 different decks available, they need to be in the same condition as the one at play (not everyone uses a new deck every game).
i'm not a fan of partner play - i dont know anyone who understands this kind of thing, so i would need a gorilla to simply play the hands. and im not keen on approaching somebody who i've played against before and saying 'hey want to cheat with me', because the chances are i've cheated them.
what i have been doing recently is dealing big hands to others at the table creating big pots and more money exchanging. doing this puts more money into one or two players stacks, so when the opportunity arises the player with the most chips becomes the player that i'll take down, maximising the win.
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| Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:35 pm |
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what dou guys find is the best method to cull cards from the deck?
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| Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:46 am |
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Depends on your working environment....
The most common way, and easiest, is to simply track the cards you want as you pick them up from the discard or from the previous hand that you performed your demonstration with.
There are other methods where you peak cards while shuffling and then control them...this is the hardest and the method with is medium difficulty is to use marked cards. As you shuffle you can easily see the top card of each packet and then control the one you want....
I personally use the marked card method for demos because the audience can shuffle the cards and I only have to give the cards a few more shuffles to cull what I want....Using these methods you may not be able to guarantee wired aces every time....but, I'll settle for kings or queens....and when you demo how good you are you can show that you don't want to be greedy with aces all the time.
If you do want aces all the time...try nail nicking....but, I don't advise that because nail nicking is well know and can be obvious, especiial as the cards are used.
With practice, you will be able to cull and stack simultaniously....that way you reduct the number of shuffles required.
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| Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:02 am |
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Drey
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drey, to clear a few things up - i'm interested in actual cheating practices
Alright, glad we got that clear.
i usually just wait it out untill a decent opportunity arises, it can be tedious but im happy to win that one or two big pots for the night and play straight every other hand to avoid suspicion, i can hold my own at the table playing straight so the big pot i win via my deal more than makes up for any losses for the night
Yeah, that's generally the mentality and it's certainly true, depending on the method, that this can be the most effective approach. Personally, I'm not a great poker player and can't count on holding my own without cheating, mind you, I'm not a professional cheat either. But, I find that very subtle methods are more than enough to make the difference. Even just knowing one card that your opponent or opponents are holding gives a massive edge, knowing both of them means you can play the odds pretty effectively. Occassionally, boosting your hand just slightly, so the odds favor you with something as simple as a pair can be a great help as well.
In my experience, overall, this gives you a chip lead and once you have the chip lead by a reasonable margin it becomes increasingly easy to outplay the opposition.
One of my upcoming articles in the 21ace newsletter will center around just very basic methods of accomplishing all this that are nearly undetectable and arguably unprovable.
They are of course numerous other considerations, and in many senses the more occassions under which you can apply these principles the better, which is why things like marked cards are so effective and popular.
what do you guys think about using a cold deck? it worked once for me due the the lack of attention on the dealer by other players, and the fact that i had the same deck in my car. i really like the idea of a cold deck as you can maximise your win and it only takes one deal to do so. by playing straight all night, and even losing money your one big win wont looks suspicious at all. i've found the biggest problem though is bringing the right deck to the game, even with 100 different decks available, they need to be in the same condition as the one at play (not everyone uses a new deck every game).
Bringing a cooler into play is definately quite an effective method of cheating for the reasons you described among others. It's also a relatively easy thing to do in most gaming circumstances, or even most demonstration circumstances. You can also use it for other applications, such as switching in a marked deck.
As for the same level of wear, I don't think the concern is exceptionally great, simply because most people aren't going to notice slight differences in wear, you have maybe 4 categories of deck condition that are worth considering, if that. This can also be overcome in part by traveling in the same circles as patterns may form, people who like to use the same decks, the same procedures etc. and so you can come to anticipate what is going to occur and be better prepared. There is also of course the possibility of looking into the details of the game in advance, having other people check it out for you etc.
Of course some unreliability as you mentioned is still present, but it's worthy of consideration, especially since it's a relatively simple method of achieving amazing results. Of course, it also begs questions of when to perform the deck switch, what hands to set up, how to play it once you've rung in the cooler (After all just giving them the right cards isn't enough, you have to goad them into betting a lot so you can take as big a pot as possible) etc.
i'm not a fan of partner play - i dont know anyone who understands this kind of thing, so i would need a gorilla to simply play the hands. and im not keen on approaching somebody who i've played against before and saying 'hey want to cheat with me', because the chances are i've cheated them.
Yes, finding the right person is definately important and I think you certainly have to get to know them and their style a bit outside the cheating environment before you start cheating with them. However, I think there are definate benefits to using a partner that are difficult to replace elsewhere. Heck, you could even go so far as to have the entire table with the exception of one individual in question in on it. I remember a story Marlo told about that, where he and two magicians cheated some guy at a bar. Again, you have questions about how exactly you are going to go about cheating etc. Signaling, all using various moves, using subtle moves and signaling each other, providing assistance to basic technique etc. Personally, I for one thinks it's much easier and more effective to legitimately beat the cut by using a partner than it is to beat it afterwards via a pass or the like.
what i have been doing recently is dealing big hands to others at the table creating big pots and more money exchanging. doing this puts more money into one or two players stacks, so when the opportunity arises the player with the most chips becomes the player that i'll take down, maximising the win.
The general philosophy is to give the money to the worst player at the table and then take it from them. But it depends, in practice I prefer to avoid big hands, though they're nice for demonstrations.
fury
what dou guys find is the best method to cull cards from the deck?
From the deck? You mean cull them within the deck?
It depends on a large number of factors, starting with the style of shuffling you're using. Overhand shuffling is going to create a different approach than riffle shuffling. Also, do you have marked cards in play? If so, how are they marked? Then what kinds of hands are you working with. I'll use different methods for culling large numbers of cards than I will for smaller numbers. Basically three cards or less is such a cake walk that you might as well just use very primitive methods. If you want four to eight cards (particularly the higher numbers) it's simply not practical to resort to anything but more complex methods. There is also the question of whether you want to stack the cards, or false deal, or combine the two. For example, I've grown to like two block culling in a lot of ways, but I also don't like it so much if I'm going to stack the cards. Another consideration lies in what you can get away with and how many cuts you want to use. I generally don't like the Marlo Cull System, simply because there are too many cuts for my liking. Basically, I like to minimize the number of cuts and basically just perform shuffles. I like to perform all my work (culling and stacking) in four shuffles or less, some people might go for more, some might want it done in just two shuffles. It all depends.
Ideally, discard stacking offers some nice benefits, but personally I find it's quite limited, I always hated the demonstrations where the performer will stack 4 of a kind, or worse, 6 or 8 cards, saying "say you got these cards to the top of the deck". Reality check, the chances of getting that set up are slim to non-existant. The difficulty isn't stacking, or getting the desired cards to the players, it's locating and controlling those cards, or rather, doing so in a limited number of shuffles.
Discard stacking is subtle, which is nice, giving you a one card edge, or determining the value of an opponent's cards is actually huge edge that won't ensure you win, but overtime can really pay off.
Depending on what you're familiar with, my preferences go as follows:
Simple hands, ordinary cards - standard basic culling method
Complex hands, bottom dealing - generally two block culling
Complex hands, stacking - Collective culling
In any of the above cases the third cull could be applied to expedite the process.
Complex hands with marked faces or punch work - overhand culling (there are a number of possible methods here, but I have certain preferences, the goal in my view is to make the shuffling as normal as possible and to make it as quick as possible (not in the actual action, but rather by minimizing the number of shuffles)).
Complex hands with edge marked cards - relocation culling
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| Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:36 pm |
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fury
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is it possible to cull more than one card using the riffle shuffle? if so how can u do it?
also, drey can u xplain wat u mean by two block culling
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| Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:26 pm |
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yesivecheated
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for me I always try to find out exactly how many people are playing so I can have a stacked deck, I also NEVER deal the first round (everyone has there own deck so they are all preoccupied with shuffling thier cards.)
the best part about this is I stack 2 hands at once so i can do a fasle shuffle deal win the hand then a few rounds later i can win again.
also if you are playing a partner game you can have him deal to you (less obvious).
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| Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:49 pm |
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Drey
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is it possible to cull more than one card using the riffle shuffle? if so how can u do it?
Yes it is, depending on the method you use you can cull nearly an unlimited number of cards per shuffle. And I'm not just going to explain it to you. Collective culling, which in a sense expedites the process is explained in my ebook and I'll write something at a later date explaining two block culling, the third cull and relocation culling, all of which offer their own benefits.
also, drey can u xplain wat u mean by two block culling
It's a more complex version of culling that allows you to cull two, sometimes more cards per shuffle. It can be used in combination with collective culling and the third cull, though combining too many methods becomes tedious. I generally like it for simple culling procedures that require few shuffles as it makes the riffling action faster than with collective culling. The best application is generally culling a flush in one shuffle, at least in my opinion.
yesivecheated
Everyone has their own deck? Wow, there's a recipe for disaster, it just makes cheating far too easy.
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| Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:23 pm |
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fury
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cool. is ur ebook out? or are u still writing it?
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| Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:06 am |
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Neither, it's written, but it hasn't been released publically, it's supposed to come out in April, you can look back at earlier posts for details of the content.
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| Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:44 pm |
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fury
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ah. ic so how much r u gonna charge for it?
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| Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:43 pm |
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Drey
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Probably $40 retail, but it hasn't been firmly established, we were discussing it and looking at price based on merits of content, quality, scope, market etc. It's around 700 pages with around 700 photographs so it's definately quite extensive. I'd suspect they'll decide to sell the CD version for slightly more than the instant download as well, but I'm not positive about that.
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| Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:02 pm |
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fury
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drey, cud u plz explain wat u mean by mucking?
b4 u said "Often, I would rather win on someone else's deal and for that reason I like to use mucking from time to time. " wat is mucking n how dou do it?
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| Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:17 pm |
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Switching the card or cards you're dealt for other pre-determined cards. The art of switching cards in play as George Josef would say.
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| Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:57 pm |
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by mucking cards and winning on other peoples deal it puts less suspicion on you because you did not deal the cards, so nobody can assume that the cards were dealt to your advantage.
without exposing what mucking is thats about as deep an explanation as your gonna get.
personally i find mucking risky, especially at a small sized table when its 6 handed+. if you can do it well it can be very beneficial but it isnt for the faint hearted.
if i have mucked cards im planning to use i like to make the switch at the flop or the turn. by the time it gets to the river its usually left down to 2 or 3 players and there are more eyes on you and your cards making some angles very hard to cover.
one factor to consider is how long you hold out for, as the more unnatural you are at the table the more suspicion you're likely to arise.
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| Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:01 pm |
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It partially depends on the game, draw poker is, for obvious reasons, a vastly superior game to muck in, than most others, Texas Hold'em is arguably more beneficial than 5 card stud etc. Then again, mucking more cards is more difficult.
There are also questions of whose deal you wish to muck on, what technique you use, what action you cover it with, how you dispose of the extra cards, or if you dispose of them etc.
There are also other reasons to potentially muck rather than just to give yourself a winning hand in that particular round.
Lots of considerations, but definately an interesting technique.
For those who are interested and have seen the movie "Shade" they do some mucking in the credits, one card switches, blackjack switches etc.
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| Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:55 pm |
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fury
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yeah ive watched shade... how does he go from that hand with the ace of spades on top, then he just flicks his hand over the cards sorta and they turn into a royal flush. and where can i learn how they change the card by putting the hand over it?
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| Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:41 pm |
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I think that trick is called Zapped, where he has the hand fanned then he pushes along the indexes with his finger and when they snap back into place they turn one by one into a flush. Does that sound like it?
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| Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:28 am |
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yeah dats exactly it.. were canu lern zapped o_0
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| Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:33 am |
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Drey
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It's a gimmicked set of cards, search for it on the internet. Paul R. Wilson also apparently has an ungimmicked handling, I don't know anything about it though.
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| Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:26 am |
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fury
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k ty. wats the trick were they press their hand over the card and it changes?
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| Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:53 am |
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fan 2 c
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| Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:45 am |
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halcon wrote:
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What does that mean?
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| Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:44 am |
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Drey
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No, fan 2 c is the ungimmicked version of zapped. If it's just a single card, it would depend on the effect, they perform a number of changes. There's a tabled circle change as I recall, there's an impulse change where the card is jogged from the deck, the deck is waved and it changes, there is also "a startling color change" by Jerry Andrus, where the card is on the top of the deck, they wave their hand back and forth, then it changes, I can't remember what others.
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| Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:26 pm |
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Can you get it from E?
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| Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:40 pm |
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Drey
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Get which from Ellusionist? They sell zapped, or at least they did, I haven't checked recently. They don't sell fan 2 c, I'm not aware of any of the products they sell teaching the impulse change, but they might on one of those card handling, same with the circle change, which is similar to the Eidetic change.
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| Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:39 pm |
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chaz236
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No i meant fan 2 c, do you know where you can buy it and if you would recomend buying it?
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| Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:24 pm |
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Drey
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I understand it's available from Paul R. Wilson's website, it's in an ebook, as far as I know that's the only place to get it. I've never learned it, I have no idea how good it is.
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i find the best way is to hold out cards and stick them on the under side of the table with that tacky poster stuff. it doesnt leave any residue or anything.
if you hold out cards you can swipe them in play making it less obvious that your cheating becuase your not dealing. (in my opinion). just watch where you put them, you have to get good at palming for that.
and drey is right, double duking isnt anything ground breaking. but its definently good because people tend to feel more comfortable losing to a hand thats slightly better (by just the kicker alone as well) than a monster wierd hand.
so when you can dish out a couple hands to people, and have marked cards down, then you should build a routine.
some words of advice: 1. always loose the last hand 2. take small pots at a time, and at the last few hands take a huge pot off of a good double duke(ex. give a guy a betting hand, and yours just slightly better) 3. try to win of the river.
uhhh i dont feel like typing other things haha
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aesops fable
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ALSO about stocking your cards...
if you index them, and do some blind shuffles, they think your just messing with the deck. and let them cut it if they look suspicious
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| Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:27 pm |
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fury
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hey for the ppl who've watched shade, does ne1 know how they do the trick where the dude has a king and then pushes it agains the table n it becomes the ace of hearts, then he does it again and the ace disapears?
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| Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:44 pm |
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Drey
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Rub-a-dub vanish if I am recalling the one you're thinking about correctly. It's very simple (though picking up and executing some of the subtleties can be tougher) and there are lots of sources for it if you do a search.
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| Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:12 am |
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Aos
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hey for the ppl who've watched shade, does ne1 know how they do the trick where the dude has a king and then pushes it agains the table n it becomes the ace of hearts, then he does it again and the ace disapears? |
I think hes talking about Terry LaGerould's Card Flick.
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| Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:21 pm |
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fury
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were can i lern that?
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| Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:00 am |
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Aos
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Well, I got it from Brian Tudor's Heckler video. But it seems a waste ot buy it for one move... If you know enough you can figure it out.
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Yeah its a rather simple move to get down, I learned it from watching a preview of brian tudours generation extreme. It is however quite effective.
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