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ppooler
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I got an idea while I was reading the issue with the logo.
I've been thinking about a contest, but I don't know exacly what contest supposed to be , I think out the concept either.
A player have to filming himself within performing a shot, let's say : the wing shot
and who make the wing shot more times in a row, win a price.
well, perhaps don't , but just an example.
But the shot have to be harder than just wing shot, like a wing jump shot or so. Or just whatever kind of trick shot which is hard enough for making in a row ...
Do you got it ? if so, what do you think ?
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| Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:40 pm |
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chipper
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This is not a bad idea ppooler. I think it could be a nice little contest for us all.
But please do not choose a jump or masse shot. I can't do these kind of shot on my pool table, that's a rule for me ! 
But I think a bank shot like the fourth and the fifth shot of the shot programm could be something nice... that's what I think. 
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| Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:04 pm |
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freemedic30
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saw one on tv the other day that might work for this. Set up a box with a tube in it on the foot spot, CB on Head Spot, shoot an object ball into the tube so that it disappears and can't be seen, when it comes back out of the tube toward you, you shoot it into one of the corner pockets at the other end of the table. (ball is still rolling when you try to make it in the corner pockets)
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| Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:25 am |
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yow
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You could film yourself scoring in any given discipline, nonstop video (no cheating), giving yourself three tries each. Whoever scores highest wins. For instance, when I filmed "5 pro follow shots" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ_ClI0ikxY), it was nonstop film clip, shots back to back. We could do one discipline per week or something. That'd be neat. Then, when it's all over, after 8 disciplines we could calculate totals and so forth, name a champion, etc. "ericyow.com Forums Artistic Pool Championship" Just a thought.
-yow!
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| Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:55 am |
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T-buzz
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i like ppoolers idea better actually...
because a lot of people on this forum can't yet make all of the shots in each discipline. i know i can't 
that's why it could be more interesting to take 1 shot and try to get the most in a row. to prove you are concistent in it...
Yow, your idea would appeal more to the pro's on this forum... and i'm sad to say, I'm not a pro yet
which is obvious since i only play like 5 months
i like this idea very much and i will surely participate... COUNT ME IN
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| Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:25 am |
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freemedic30
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that sounds good, but Yow, sorry man, you can't participate, you have to be the judge. lol
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| Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:56 am |
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ppooler
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okay, we would agree on the particular shot, but how ? I would tend pick up a shot that I'm strong at.
I am actually make the wing jump shot three times in a row, lately, that's why I mentioned it, but it is a jump shot and chipper won't make them...
But if someone suggest a shot I am willing and able.
Maybe the Yow's idea seems better, now. 'cause it's more equitable concept.
Anyway as i said is it an unfinished idea, yet.
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| Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:35 am |
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vash
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this seems interesting. I hope by the time you guys decide on a shot or the program i'll have both a table and a camera. Personally i like yow's idea, but i'll go along with anything you decide so it will be fair and fun for everyone
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T-buzz
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let's say we choose ppoolers concept
then we would have to pinpoint a judge and he will choose one particular shot for us to make
let's say we choose yow's idea
then we also have to make someone the judge for this and he will again have to decide on which discipline we are going to shoot
SO we can't continue unless we find someone who want to be the judge i have no knowledge of pointscoring in trickshots so i'm not the best judge for this :d
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| Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:08 am |
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freemedic30
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As for Judging, I think Yow would be the most objective, realistic, and qualified person to judge. After all, he is a pro, has experience with the point keeping system, understands the intricacies or the game, and it is his forum. Personally, that is my vote.
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| Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:27 am |
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ppooler
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OK, actually it doesn't matter.
anyway I am just posted on the Yutube Jump discipline clip ,
check it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgGu0pT-4Aw
In practice I make these shots on first attempts, here, I screw up first attempt at the bank launch, and great race jump as well.
I know this is the most easy diccipline, so I'm going, to remake soon enough without the fail, it's a possibility.
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| Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:31 am |
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freemedic30
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You make it look so easy pooler. one of those shots took me 2.5 hours make the other day. lol then agian, I just started working on trick shots too, so. i have an easier time with masse shots than i do with the jump shots. Draw shots I do well with to, except for the circular draw, which i haven't made yet, and the power draw shot (shot 5 i think). Anyway, there is still a masse shot i haven't been able to do as well though. As for the rest. Well, i'm just starting. lol Fresh meat.
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| Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:41 am |
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ppooler
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The next clip could be the bank / kick discipline , that is also possible (to me) make that " it look so easy" but actually, it require a lot practice, of course...
by the way, which one you've a hard time with ?
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| Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:22 am |
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emuskova
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the point scoring is easy actually ......every shot gat a DOD <degre of difficulty >...like the masse shot 5 mingaud masse is DOD 11 ..... so u get 11 points to make it one first try .... one point less for 2nd try THATS 10 POINT.... and if u make it in ur 3rd try u will get 9 POINT ...
why dont u go and shoot the most difficult shots ....i mean the shots gat more DODs in every discipline ..u can pick 1/2 shot from every dicipline...so u get a 8-16 shots to shoot and BTW recently ive seen alot of vdos coming in but with wrong setup ... they will not let u shoot like thats in the pro tournaments ... u guys must follow the instruction for the setup
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ppooler
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There is something wrong with the set-up ?
one more thing :
I've been measuring the ideal placement for a several shots in order to knowing where to put the cue-ball on.
I can't imagine how perform the shots e.q. 5 /# 4 or 1/ #5 etc.... without the marks !
could you using a measuring prop, like a rack , balls , cues and so forth at least ?
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| Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:03 pm |
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emuskova
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no i mean i see sum ppls doing it wrong way ....example draw shot 5 ..i have seen ppl making it but they dont put the cue ball frozen with the rail .....
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i know i sometimes don't have the correct setup, i just discovered that last week when i was comparing it to a lot of other videos. but i can make them just as well when i place them correctly i proved that to myself
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| Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:47 am |
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There is something wrong with the set-up ?
one more thing :
I've been measuring the ideal placement for a several shots in order to knowing where to put the cue-ball on.
I can't imagine how perform the shots e.q. 5 /# 4 or 1/ #5 etc.... without the marks !
could you using a measuring prop, like a rack , balls , cues and so forth at least ? |
Yes, it is legal to use other items to measure. All the pros do it, balls and chalk usually. Andy Segal uses his fingers. It may be difficult to detect some setups that aren't legal from certain video angles. But we could use an honor system... I don't think anyone here would cheat to win, no?
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| Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:26 am |
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freemedic30
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The APTSA set ups for the trick shots are established for 9 ft tables. When shooting the shots on an 8 ft table there is some slight modifications that are necessary to the set up. However, the modifications made can be made within the guidelines of the shots in the program description. For instance the 3-3 shot in my most recent video is not set up exactly as the picture depicts the shot, but it is in line with the description of what is legal for the shot. The modifications I made were within the allowable limits, and only mildly adjusted the angles on the shot to make it possible on an 8 ft table. There are some though that can be setup exactly the same on either a 9 ft or an 8 ft table. i believe shot 4 of the follow program is one of them. 1 object ball in each corner with a blocking ball at 1 diamond and half and cue ball at other end of the table. This one can be set up exactly the same on either size table. As long as the shot is not modifiec outside of the APTSA guidelines for the shot it is still a legal shot.
Personally, what's the point in winning if you have to cheat. You've accomplished nothing, and proved nothing by doing it except that you are dishonest and can't be trusted. I would much rather win because I did that well and not by cheating. Don't have to worry about me cheating
Oh! Pooler, the two draw shots I'm having difficulty with are the circular draw, and the power draw ( shot 5). I haven't figured those out yet and don't seem to be executing it correctly, or don't have them set up right for an 8 ft table. Although I am leaning more towards needing more work on my stroke.
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| Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:46 pm |
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ppooler
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trickshottim, thanks good to know. I suppose that the foot spot and head spot is marked there, but what about the middle (center) point ? or a line by the head spot ?
freemedic30, no wonder , these draw shots just require more practice than the others...
The bank/ kick discipline will be next, expect the last 5 rail kick shot it depends on the condition individual cloth, I don't like shooting this one ...
Unfortunately I can't hook up the camera with PC, right now, (something is wrong) but I figured it out...tomorrow, maybe
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| Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:52 pm |
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chipper
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I miraculously did 6 shots on 7 within 3 tries on the bank/kick discipline !!  I never did that before... The only shot I misses was shot #4 and the only shot I did on the third try was shot #5. I even did Playoff shot #2 on the first try !! I might post the video on youtube or I'll wait for a better score on this discipline... I'll see.
Ppooler, got to beat that !  I'm sure you will do it. 
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| Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:44 pm |
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trickshottim
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The tables are usually gridded, so they have lines running between all the diamonds parallel to the rails, pretty much like you see in the shot program or the tutorial diagrams on my site. There are also some special markings, like a couple half diamond lines (like for draw #1, bank/kick #3, etc) and the six inch circle for stroke #3.
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trickshottim, thanks good to know. I suppose that the foot spot and head spot is marked there, but what about the middle (center) point ? or a line by the head spot ?
freemedic30, no wonder , these draw shots just require more practice than the others...
The bank/ kick discipline will be next, expect the last 5 rail kick shot it depends on the condition individual cloth, I don't like shooting this one ...
Unfortunately I can't hook up the camera with PC, right now, (something is wrong) but I figured it out...tomorrow, maybe
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| Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:51 am |
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Thanks,
Actually, I thought that so, but I wasn't completely sure ...
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damned what it must be when ive no time!!! i can practice more than 2 hours by a week so impossible to get the perfect score in each discipline!!hope the contest will be open in the 2 next month!!!
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