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Whiskey_Priest
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ok just played a game tonight with my bro. I was setting the top card and dealing him an ace or a face card every time, but we kept getting screwed over by flops that are 6,7,2 or some garbage like that. Any suggestions?
Whiskey
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| Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:04 am |
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dutchfan
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ok just played a game tonight with my bro. I was setting the top card and dealing him an ace or a face card every time, but we kept getting screwed over by flops that are 6,7,2 or some garbage like that. Any suggestions?
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I don't really want to help you cheat, and i don't think it is possible in this case. If you have the mandatory cut rule, plus you burn/ditch cards before flop/turn/river, you can't really cheat. Only way to do this is to take like 2 minutes before the hand, and set everyones cards, add random ditch cards, set flop, etc. Takes to long, therefore you CAN'T cheat and make a nice flop/turn/river for a certain hand , YEAH!
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| Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:56 pm |
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Jim
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I don't really want to help you cheat, and i don't think it is possible in this case. If you have the mandatory cut rule, plus you burn/ditch cards before flop/turn/river, you can't really cheat. Only way to do this is to take like 2 minutes before the hand, and set everyones cards, add random ditch cards, set flop, etc. Takes to long, therefore you CAN'T cheat and make a nice flop/turn/river for a certain hand , YEAH! |
Not at all! This comment is totally ignorant to the fact that there are multitudes of ways around this. I can't even begin to explain where this went wrong (and Dutchfan, before you freak out realize that I'm not going after you, just the comment made). 
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| Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:06 pm |
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dutchfan
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I don't really want to help you cheat, and i don't think it is possible in this case. If you have the mandatory cut rule, plus you burn/ditch cards before flop/turn/river, you can't really cheat. Only way to do this is to take like 2 minutes before the hand, and set everyones cards, add random ditch cards, set flop, etc. Takes to long, therefore you CAN'T cheat and make a nice flop/turn/river for a certain hand , YEAH! |
Not at all! This comment is totally ignorant to the fact that there are multitudes of ways around this. I can't even begin to explain where this went wrong (and Dutchfan, before you freak out realize that I'm not going after you, just the comment made). |
How can he go about going around this in a home game? Well, I guess if the players don't really no what to look for you can do some false cuts, and peaking at the cards.... but wait, are you playing and dealing, or just dealing? Because if you are just dealing, I guess jim would be right, you could pull some more sleights, but if you have to concentrate on acting, and reading tells,etc. is would be hard to set the deck.
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| Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:09 pm |
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Jim
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How can he go about going around this in a home game? Well, I guess if the players don't really no what to look for you can do some false cuts, and peaking at the cards.... but wait, are you playing and dealing, or just dealing? Because if you are just dealing, I guess jim would be right, you could pull some more sleights, but if you have to concentrate on acting, and reading tells,etc. is would be hard to set the deck. |
This isn't a very difficult concept. Cull shuffle the deck however you need it set up (this takes less than an hour to learn how to do well), use a false cut (or crimp for a partner to cut, or do a pass after someone else cuts), and just deal. If need be use second (medium difficulty), bottoms (hard), centers (very hard - but you dont need to false cut or perform a pass). All of this is pretty common sense - I don't think I'm giving away any secrets here - the only thing is being able to do this with accuracy and ease.
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| Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:15 pm |
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Da-Sh
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How can he go about going around this in a home game? Well, I guess if the players don't really no what to look for you can do some false cuts, and peaking at the cards.... but wait, are you playing and dealing, or just dealing? Because if you are just dealing, I guess jim would be right, you could pull some more sleights, but if you have to concentrate on acting, and reading tells,etc. is would be hard to set the deck. |
If you're setting the deck, you're not reading tells. You misunderstand what cheating at a Poker Table is like...
There are all sorts of forms. If you're really good, you can deal each player exactly what card you wanted, and that's that. No questions, just winning.
If you're "ok", you can deal yourself good cards. It requires less effort and less work, but gives you a huge advantage. Give yourself a pocket pair more often than you're supposed to... and you'll flop a set twice and often as the rest of the players.
If you're a sleight-of-hand artist, you can carry around extra cards, or you can "steal" cards from the game and use them later... You like those tens? Pick one of them up while chatting up the table and mucking a hand, and no one will notice that you only pushed one card into the burn pile. When you call with K/10s and the flop shows a ten and no flush draw, replace the K with the secreted ten and make a move with a set.
If you have the balls to create cold decks, use 'em.
There are so so so many ways to cheat in a home games, it's insane. A home game is fun... and for that reason, a cheat can manipulate you far easier than he would be able to in a casino game. That's just the way of the world.
Oh, and a really good card controller? They can manipulate a deck multiple ways and watch the riffle, and all sorts of tricks and shades in order to give themselves the stuff they need. It's all about skill, and although your friends probably can't pull off this stuff... they aren't the people you need to be worried about.
= Da-Sh =
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| Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:30 pm |
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Sh4De21
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Alright for me, i will just base deal myself an Ace or a King or even both . Then check or bet, but not raise, and i just see what i can get off the flop. For cutting wise just don't like people suspect u and they will not make u cut. But cheating is gay fucked up. Generally if u talk to ur group and tell them u think somebody was cheating they will think u are clean and not ask to cut yours. But I personally do not cheat much unless im just messing around low stakes. I find it much more fun and awarding winning legitmately. You can not cheat in PRO tournaments and I hope to play in a couple once im a little older, so it is pointless to rely on cheating. It is just fun to know how to use. If u give urself a good starting hand u are likely to get a good hand enough though.
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| Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:05 pm |
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Whiskey_Priest
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ya pretty much all I was doing was dealing me or my bro like an ace and a queen or some combo like that, but we just kept getting screwed on the flop. No they dno't make me have a cut or anything like that. I was just looking for some way to control the flop. I'm sure I'll be able to do it eventually, it's just going to take some practice. Just thought someone might have some tips on it. Oh and as far as the game goes... it's a group of people that play down at the cofee house that I practically live at, they wouldn't even know what a mehcanic is so I don't have to worry about that. like I said they've just been lucky getting 3 7's or something stoppid like that. Hell I was all in tonight and I delt myself pocket aces and lost to 3 7's... now that's a kick in the nuts.
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| Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:32 am |
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Da-Sh
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Hell I was all in tonight and I delt myself pocket aces and lost to 3 7's... now that's a kick in the nuts. |
Maybe it's Karma...
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| Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:35 am |
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BLaZE
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Give your bro, or yourself a god pocket pair, then pre-raise flop enough to draw out all the crapy cards so they can't catch a good hand on the flop. You will scare a way a lot of easy money ,but its better then losing to an underhand.
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Whiskey_Priest
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Karma... ya it probably is. I know many of you frown on cheating, *shrug* didn't mean to offend anyone. Thanks for the suggestions everyone.
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| Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:33 pm |
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SM373
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BlaZe made a good point which is what I would have said. Raise pre-flop on your stacked hands to kick out anyone trying to catch a lucky flop.
To stack a flop you're going to have to learn how to stack multiple cards. It would be kind of like stacking 3 of a kind, but make sure to account for burns, etc.
If you are dealing someone Ace/Queen consistantly, it is their fault for not winning with that type of hand. Play better pre-flop is better advice than to stack a flop.
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| Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:57 pm |
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J.D.Dyson
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basically its just advanced stacking and speedy culling. try giving him high pocket pair with a riffle cull and stack and then glimpse for other nice cards, that way youll allways have at least someting
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wth...
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J.D.Dyson
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sorry guys just giving my 2c It could be of helpto others
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thatguy11
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I have no problem with seeing these old threads revived. In fact anyone who brings new life to this forum is my friend. Its been dead. I have been out of the game for a bit but will no doubt start discussions as I get back into practicing and "performing". But thanks to you guys who give me new ideas and motivate me to work on this stuff
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