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urariot311
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hey, ive been looking to purchase a marked deck, and ive read many different things. but from what i can tell, tinted decks are pretty good. the only thing is, is that i have no idea how they work, and i really dont want to buy something that im totally ignorant on. so i would really appreciate it if someone informed me about how the tinted deck works, or at least give some info on it.
i would also like to know how some of the other decks work, like the blackline cards
thx alot, its greatly appreciated[/b]
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| Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:55 pm |
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CardSorcerer
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Hi,
Tintwork inolves very subtle alterations to the back designs of the cards. Like other advanced marking systems, tintwork varies in deceptiveness. There is very strong tintwork which is hard to detect and easy to use; and there is very light tintwork which is almost impossible to detect and requires eye training to be able to see. A very light tintwork deck is difficult to detecty by anyone's standards (even by experts in marked cards). Needless to say, the marking system is very deceptive in any form.
In order to keep the system a secret and preserve its magical integrity, I cannot say exactly how the cards are marked.
Good luck!
For information about tintwork marked cards, please go to: http://www.cardsorcerer.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=105
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| Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:07 pm |
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urariot311
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hey thanks a lot, i understand that the tinted decks are ultra deceptive, but ive also come to understand that the juiced decks are hands down the best marked decks one can buy, ive searched the web fairly thouroughly and i cant seem to find any sellers, i know they're very hard to find, but assuming money wasnt an issue would u know where i could acquire one of these decks
thx alot
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| Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:45 pm |
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Jim
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Go to cardsorcerers webpage.
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| Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:44 am |
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Jim
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But one word of caution. The tint marked decks are not as easy to read as you'd think. You can't see them from across the table and it can sometimes be difficult to see even your neighbors cards.
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| Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:45 am |
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urariot311
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then do u have any idea where one might be able to purchase a juiced deck?
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:53 pm |
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Jim
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You're going to need to talk to CardSorcerer. It's not available to the public on his webpage, but he does sell them (someone said that he only sells to repeat buyers; I'm not sure if it's true but it would make sense).
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:14 pm |
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Keebs
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then do u have any idea where one might be able to purchase a juiced deck? |
isnt that the type of deck used in the movie SHADE? and so are they real, i thought it was just in the movie.
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:29 pm |
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Jim
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But they aren't really like what the movie made them out to be.
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MikeMan91389
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that and the prices are almost a major rip off. i saw some on ebay for less...
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| Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:02 pm |
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lazynator
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Yep, marked decks cost a lot, be ready to fork out some cash if you are serious about getting one.
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| Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:52 pm |
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Jim
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It's a good thing that they're so expensive though.
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| Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:59 pm |
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yeah, it really is. Wouldn't want tooo many ppl getting a hold of those. In fact, i might start wearing those glasses with the stuff on the inside, make sure my friends aren't using them 
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Santino
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If you search around the web, you can buy Juice, to make your own Juice deck, it's 25 bucks, and they give you enough to make 2 or 3 decks. I used to have the site bookmarked but I lost it. Just search google for a while. You should find it eventually. Also go on eBay and they sell a lot of marked decks, including luminous decks.
P.S. My 100th post.
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D-Block21
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Thuzle
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A qoute the the 25 Dollar "Juice" You can find on the net.
A qoute from Igor Lustig "The Bustout Dealer":
In the late 1990s several outlets have started selling "juice" over the Web. There are several web sites that carry the exact same product, which is easily recognizable because it is always labeled "The Juice" and it features a stick-figure cartoon character. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it) this commercial juice is not the same substance that cheaters have managed to keep under the hat for decades. It is just an attempt at selling something to the suckers over the Web (this time the sucker is the buyer; not an unusual occurrence). In any event, their formula is not correct and what they are selling is not really juice. In my humble opinion, the quality of this commercial juice, sold as "The Juice", falls into a category of products that people often compare with a particular animal product that can be used as organic fertilizer and may easily be found on farms.
This should be known by everyone interested in the so-called "Juice", the only reason I post it here.
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| Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:13 am |
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CardSorcerer
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I own a bottle of 'the juice' - it isn't the real stuff which has been kep a secret for all of these years.
Igor (who is one of the most knowledgable experts in crooked gambling in the world) was overly kind with his commentary above. Anyone selling and shipping real juice for $25 would be losing money with every bottle.
CardSorcerer
PS: that quote is from Igor's website, www.cardshark.us
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| Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:25 am |
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hondo928
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what are the NU-CON decks im a little confuseed if there just juice decks and if anyone with any sunglasses can see them
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| Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:48 pm |
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Kjellstrom
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expertmagician
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I saw another post asking about how easy it is to apply different kinds of shade work......
All shade type work is easy to apply. The formulas are a garded secret and can be tricky to manufacture.
In addition, you are also better off marking your own cards vs. buying a pre-marked deck. In this way you can design your own marking patterns so others will not be able to recognize the marks even if they know about Luminous solutions or JUICE.
This just adds to the deception.
Just my 2 cents for what it is worth.
Also take a peak at:
http://markedcards.bizhosting.com/Marked_cards.htm
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| Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:27 pm |
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expertmagician
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My understanding is the NU-CON is selling several products. They seam to have Luminous products and JUICE.
JUICE does not require sunglasses to read just practice and training.
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| Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm |
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Ragingg
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So if tintwork is subtle alterations on the back of cards, what is just regular marked cards?
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| Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:38 pm |
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expertmagician
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Regular "Professionally" marked cards typically involve altering small areas of a card using a dark ink which matches the color of the ink of the card. You can see typical examples at: http://markedcards.bizhosting.com/Standard_Marked_cards.htm
The main advantage is that you can get these cards pre-marked for relatively little money but can easily be discovered by riffling the cards. (This used to be called "going to the movies" because the dots and lines would jump around the back of the cards like old fashoned movies.
Shade cannot be detected in this way because there are no real lines or dots to jump around. The cards use various shade solutions to "shade" large areas of the card. This gives an added advantage of being able to read the cards from several feet away.
There is much more to discuss, but no time now.
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| Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:56 pm |
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| Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:31 am |
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Ragingg
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So i'm thinking about buying a marked deck and I've come down to tintwork and a juice deck... Both run for about 60 dollars on Ebay, but I'm concerned that the Juiced cards come on Bees, while the tintwork comes on kems.... Do you guys think the Bees will wear out really easily?
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:53 am |
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expertmagician
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Most markings using SHADE technology (Luminous, JUICE or FLASH) should all be using permanent solutions. So wearing off should not be a problem.
As far as what cards physically last longer. kem playing cards do last longer. But, may also get sticky and have to be cleaned occasionally. Paper playing cards either will have to air out while spread out on a table overnight, coated with powder or simply thrown out.
I suggest you use whatever back designs your "friends" are used to seeing. If they never saw kems and are used to Bees or Bicycles. I suggest you stick with those.
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:55 pm |
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mfasoccer
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Expert I have reviewed your site and it seems like it is a scam. I am not accusing you of anything it just seems like you could be sending us something similar to glue. Also, how do we know that the filters actually work if you do not offer any garauntees and most of your customers seem unsatisfied...
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:08 pm |
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expertmagician
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Expert I have reviewed your site and it seems like it is a scam. I am not accusing you of anything it just seems like you could be sending us something similar to glue. Also, how do we know that the filters actually work if you do not offer any garauntees and most of your customers seem unsatisfied... |
I don't want to sound confrontational, but, I don't know why you say most of my customers are unsatisfied. Reality is that 99.9% of my customers are very happy and I am sure you can understand why I can't publish their names and associated eMail messages. I always protect my customers names. Fact is that 99% of my customers purchase diectly from me and my web site because of faster delivery. But, a couple of people did purchase via eBay and left favorable feedback.
You will notice in another Post Topic ("Luminous Shade Deck") that I offered a "supposed" customer a replacement jar which has been reformulated not to damage the finish of the cards...yet, this person never contacted me and appears to be posted by a competior selling pre-marked decks. (I only had 2 ligitimate compaints of my original formula damaging the finish and that was because people applied a heavy coat of solution and did not buff it off as suggested in the instructions. My new formulation does not require buffing and will never damage the finish even if you forget to wipe off excess solution.)
As far as glue is concerned.....If you know of any glue which has the characteristics of any of the SHADE variations I am selling, I would love to know about it. I will tell you thay there is no glue or glue base in any of my solutions. Nor do any of the solutions leave any tacky feeling to the cards. The finishes of both kem and paper based playing cards are left undamaged.
As far as knowing whether the filters work? I have two comments which may ease your apprehension:
1) Luminous technology has been around for many years. However, it has only relatively recently been implemented using SHADE vs. standard "line markings". Also, using any pair of sunglasses vs. funny red lenses is a new inovation. Feel free to read gambling literature and you will see it discussed without the books exposing the actual formulas.
Regarding my we site, I want to be very clear and up front with the facts.....
All of the photographs or video clips on my web site are untouched. However, the camera which shot the video seems to have given a VERY clear view of the marks when viewed through my provided filter gimmick. (Video seems to depict more contrast than you will see reality. But, explains visually to people what the product does.) If you want to see a real-world view of how the markings will look, try looking at the still photograph above video clip. The still photos show that markings are much more subtle than in the video. (The Bee deck only has a single coat of solution and was difficult to photograph. While the Bicycle deck had 2 coats of solution and is more likely an accurate view of what a user of my marking solution will see.)
2) Like most magic/gambling secrets, 90% of what you are purchasing is the intellectual property of how to apply the solution, understand the marking patterns available to you and how to read the marks and gimmick the glasses without distorting normal vision. Once you read the detailed instructions I provide, with the color photographs, you have purchased the intellectual property and know the secret. Unfortunately, I can't ask you to return the knowledge which you have already obtained by reading my instruction manuscript.
Hopefully this makes sense. If not, I appologize and of course I encourage you to only purchase what you feel comfortable buying.
Regardless of your decision, enjoy!
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:38 pm |
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How come no one sells kem juiced decks? Do they come out badly or something?
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:11 am |
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expertmagician
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I do sell JUICE which works on kem cards very well. The formula is chemically different than used on paper playing cards.
The main issue with kem is the back design and what marking patterns work well on different backs . For example, I have tested on kem Arrow back and kem Club back design cards.
On the kem Arrow back I suggest that you use the JUICE solution. But, actual markings should be"Tint Work" style marking patterns (smaller marks which can be read 2-4 feet away).
Conversly, kem Club back design has less large white areas. Since it is more of an overall pattern. We can use standard JUICE and mark the cards using large JUICE marking patterns which can be seen at a distance (2-8 feet).
I hope this helps.
Enjoy!
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:36 am |
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mfasoccer
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I am curious as to why you refuse to answer any of my private messages but seem extremely willing to answer posts?
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:59 am |
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Jim
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Publicity (obviously). That's one of the reasons why there is a pm function, so we don't have to see everyone private business (ie the refunding of merchandise, the selling of stuff, etc.). But in his case this is all stuff he wants people to see and he just doesn't get the point that we don't want this to become a playground for his spam, which is all this thread has become. It's saddening  .
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:17 pm |
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expertmagician
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:21 pm |
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mfasoccer
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Alright I will. I am wondering, is it bad for your eyes to look at juice?
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:37 pm |
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expertmagician
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To be honest, I don't know if reading JUICE is bad for your eyes. All I can tell you is that I have been using JUICE for 20+ years and just started to need reading glasses about 2 years ago. But I was into my 40's by then.
Funny thing is that I can't see standard marks at all now. Scroll, box or line work is too small for me to see without my reading glasses. Yet, I can still easily read shade.
Hope this explanation helps.
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:49 pm |
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mfasoccer
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ok.
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:36 pm |
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mfasoccer
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ok.
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:36 pm |
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hondo928
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One system used for marking cards is called blob-o vison its described in Hidden in Plain Sight by Kirk Charles and Boris Wild, it only costs the price of the deck but takes a while to make and is easy to read.
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