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kabbink
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Hello,
I have been doing some reading about marked (especially juiced) decks and have got some mixed opinions about what kinds of decks can be marked with the "juice" some say that only Bee decks can be juiced but other sources say any red backed cards can be juiced.
Can anyone straighten this out for me?
Thanks a lot!
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| Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:39 pm |
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expertmagician
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Bicycles can definately be JUICED. But, to be honest...I personally think that people prefer to use JUICE on Bees because Bees are easier to read. Bicycles may take a bit more practice, but if you JUICE your own cards, you can practice making the SHADE lighter and lighter till you get the reading down perfectly.
I personally use JUICE on Bicycles because they are more common and people are used to seeing Bicycles in my area than they are used to seeing Bee playing cards.
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| Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:38 pm |
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Eric
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expertmagician, that is a cool avatar, it explains the process by showing the light and dark versions.
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| Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:17 pm |
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suprastyxx
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why do you capitalize juice and shade? are they acronyms? just curious
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expertmagician
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SHADE is a generic term for various technologies. For example, JUICE, FLASH, Luminous, Tintwork, etc. are all different and have different formulas and methods of application.....yet they all fall under the umbrella term of JUICE.
Each variation is useful and has pros and cons depending upon your working environment.
I am not sure if SHADE or JUICE stands for anything.
Hope that explanation helps.
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| Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:15 pm |
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suprastyxx
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no because you didn't say why you capitalize the words...
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| Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:36 am |
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mosdef56
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I recently bought enough juice to make over 200 decks. I have been selling them for as much as $60 on ebay. I would be willing to sell them for $30 plus shipping if anyone is interested. Write me an e-mail if anyone is interested and we can set up a secure form of payment (through pay-pal). My e-mail is mosdef56@temple.edu
Any questions, feel free to ask.
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| Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:04 pm |
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expertmagician
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mosdef56,
I have no problem with the competition...but, you should at least tell people:
1) If the solution is alcohol or an alcohol derivative based (you can tell easily by smelling the open jar).
2) If the juice is for red or blue backed cards (generic juice, like any unspecialized product is never as deceptive as one designed with a specific purpose in mind)
3) How do you apply the juice (q-tip) ?
4) Do you have to worry about "set times" so marks are not too dark and noticable ?
5) Do you include detailed instructions and videos to make using juice easy ?
6) Do you provide alternative marking patterns which are more deceptive than simple letters and numbers ?
7) Do you have to repair the finish of the card do to alcohol dulling/burn marks ? and if so, do you supply the tools/solutions to repalir the finish ?
 Do you give people detailed instructions and tools to open and reseal the marked deck ?
etc.
etc.
I know you probably think I am being a pain....but, consumers should be informed of what they are buying up front ?
Good luck and enjoy !
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| Sun Jul 31, 2005 4:59 pm |
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mosdef56
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1) The solution is non-alc. based
2) I have juice for red and blue back designs for Bee decks only, each uses a different juice.
3) I apply the juice with a Q-tip
4) I use approximately 3-5 seconds before taking juice off, so yes, the amount of time you leave the juice on the card does affect how dark the marks appear to the eye. I mark them fairly lightly to increase deceptiveness.
5) I include detailed written instructions and reply quickly through email to any questions.
6) I do not mark using numbers or letters to increase deceptiveness. This marking system is easy to learn and much more deceptive than the traditional AS for ace of spades. Again, this method of marking is included in the detailed instructions.
7) The juice is not alcohol based therefore there is no need to repair the finish.
For an additional fee, I can re-shrink wrap the deck if the buyer so desires.
If there are any other questions or comments, feel free to email me @ mosdef56@temple.edu
If you are interested, I have pictures of the decks that I can email you or send you a link to.
To end I will say this, I (and people who I've sold these decks to), have used the decks that I've marked in numerous poker games, and no one has ever questioned these cards being marked. Although I have never seen card sorcerers juiced decks, it's hard for me to imagine that they are more decptive than mine. Even if they are slightly more deceptive (which is tough to imagine), the difference in price is about $60, which is a BIG difference.
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| Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:51 pm |
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expertmagician
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Sounds good mosdef56.
It would be interesting to see a sample of your work.....especially on the blue backed cards.
I was wondering....how do address the issue that people perceive juice shade differently under different lighting conditions.
How do you determine the intensity of juice each person needs, while insuring that the marks are still deceptive ?
I'll write to you via eMail and talk....
I honestly wish you the best of luck with your product and enjoy !
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| Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:45 am |
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mosdef56
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Juice shade is different under different lighting conditions. If it is too dark or too bright, then viewing the marks becomes more difficult. In most lighting situations where you'd be playing poker, having problems viewing the marks because of the lighting should not be an issue. Like I previously stated, I mark the cards lightly to increase decptiveness. If a person believes that they will have trouble seeing the marks for some reason, I can easily make the marks darker. My opinion is that the cards should be as decptive as possible, and that is how I mark each deck.
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| Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:19 pm |
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mosdef56
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| Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:03 am |
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A526K
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i am interested in maybe marking some kind of cards....where would i start and what is th best method of marking....i have heard that when cards are flat on a table it is hard to read that card from your seat when it is juiced? is that true
what is some information on marking and how much does it usually cost to get 5-6 decks marked.
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| Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:17 am |
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expertmagician
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i am interested in maybe marking some kind of cards....where would i start and what is th best method of marking....i have heard that when cards are flat on a table it is hard to read that card from your seat when it is juiced? is that true
what is some information on marking and how much does it usually cost to get 5-6 decks marked. |
Actually, just the opposite is true. It is easier to read the cards at an angle across a table than it is head-on close-up.
The cheapest I have seen a pre-marked juice deck for is $30 (But, I have not seen the quality yet). Most juiced decks sell for $60-$100 per deck depending upon where you buy it and the quality of the juice and marks.
While there is also a cheap juice on the market (jn a jar to mark 4-5 decks), you have to be VERY careful if the juice stays on the card more than a few seconds ... otherwise the car's finish gets damaged and the marks are too dark. (Check to make sure the juice is not alcohol based (smell it). Just place a drop of alcohol on a card and look at how it damages the finish of the card.
My juice marker is "no mess" and allows you to more accurately control where the juice is applied since you do not need a q-tip or a brush. It is estimated to mark 15-30 decks depending upon the size of your marks and will cost you an average of $5 per deck when you do the math.
It should take about 1 hour to mark a deck.
Generally, the break even point if that if you need 2-3 decks, it is far cheaper to mark your own cards. In addition, you get to control the intensity of the marks as well as have the ability to design marking patterns which no one will know, but you !
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| Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:14 am |
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A526K
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does your juice product come in a pen?
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| Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:17 am |
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expertmagician
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Yes... to my knowledge, I am the only one who sells both luminous or juice in a self contained marker/pen for easy no mess application. Much easier than a jar of solution with a q-tip or brush.
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| Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:05 pm |
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mosdef56
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I just wanted to share an email that I received today:
Hi Dan
just wanted to let you know i received the cards, on saturday.
Fantastic Product, great price. I thought you might have stiffed me
after the first hour at looking and seeing anything but clock
markings, but now i can see them at 15ft with a glance. absolutely
amzing, the backs are undistingquishable from regular Bees. Thank You.
Jonjo
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| Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:18 pm |
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expertmagician
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Guess I'll have to change my ads to read that the "break even point is 3 pre-marked decks of cards" 
Glad you are happy !
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| Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:25 pm |
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