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hondo928
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what do u think are the best marked cards to read but harder to detect
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lazynator
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I havent used this but, I've heard something like about using a pegger. I've heard it causes a tiny bump on the card to pop out so when your dealing, you can feel the bump but I don't know how noticiable it is.
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| Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:38 am |
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what do u think are the best marked cards to read but harder to detect |
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| Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:46 am |
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> For some magic effects I do to "mind read" I mark the cards in a fairly simple way. I use the blue back Bicycle brand decks. With a mathching blue pen I fill-in the birds by the angel on the bike. Come up with an easy marking system of your own. Doesn't work all that well in game (unless playing stud), but has a great effect in magic.
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>Why you intrested in marking cards for? For cheating or for a Vegas-Cheat Routine in magic like I do?
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| Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:11 pm |
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For cheating obviously.... and the "pegger" that you mentioned before is most commonly used for the punch deal, it helps you (the dealer) distinguish between face cards and none face cards. You can buy a marking system for this, or just make your own using a common sewing needle.
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| Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:02 pm |
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Jim
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Oh, and the best marking systems for decks would have to be "glimmer" marked decks (for Bees and Bikes), tint work (for any kind of deck), or juice work (also for any kind of deck). These decks are much more expensive than normal sets of marked cards, however, they are much more professional in all regards. Finding them is slightly more tricky, although there are numerous resources for these online.
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| Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:06 pm |
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I have read about BLACKLINE kem cards. These are professionally marked cards that people can buy on Ebay. I do not know much about them tho... Can anyone fill us in?
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| Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:51 am |
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Hello,
Blackline work is a method where you mark the cards by touch - very similar to pegging. Only the picture cards can be marked with blackline work. When I use to perform magic, I use to do demo cheating moves with my audience - blackline work was perfect for blackjack demo's since I knew what most hands were. It is also good for packet tricks.
For some reason, many people have confused 'the juice deck' with blackline work. For a while, some people were selling sub par 'juice decks' on ebay, and advertising it as blackline work. Don't know why.
The good marked cards won't be able to be detected via the riffle test (or what some people call 'taking the deck to the movies'). That is one reason why I like blackline work - although there are several marked decks that can out smart the riffle test. Tintwork, glimmer, and juice being some.
As a rule of thumb, the better the marked deck, the longer it takes to learn how to use it. Furthermore, a heavy tintwork deck takes less practice to use than a light tintwork deck. However, the lighter the tintwork is, the more deceptive the deck is. Same goes for juice, pegging, glimmer and most other advanced marking systems.
However, the above is my view as a magician who always uses marked cards whenever I perform. I have no idea how it applies to cheating which I do not recommend and strongly advise against.
For more information about marked cards, please go to:
http://www.cardsorcerer.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=123
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| Tue Jun 29, 2004 9:24 am |
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Is this the CardSorcerer who has blessed us with his presence? Haha, its nice to see you in a forum, I'm a fan of your site (and stuff on ebay). Also, I've got a question. I noticed that before you were selling juiced decks at very cheap prices, however, recently they have almost doubled in price. I was wondering what the reason was for this; a simple case of supply and demand, or have you changed to more expensive materials... etc.? Just curious.
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| Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:52 am |
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Hi Jim,
Typically, Juice decks cost between $60 - $100; however, finding someone who makes them is the hard thing. I used to sell them; however, many magicians (all of whom I had a profound respect for) contacted me and asked me not to sell them. It is considered by many to be the best marking system around.
I think juice decks are the best marked decks there are. However, they require much practice to see and use. More importantly, neophytes to marked cards really didn't appreciate them for what they are - the best marked decks around. A juice deck shouldn't be a layperson's first set of marked cards - its like giving a teenager a ferrari (with an automatic transmission) as there first car.
Anyways, to answer your question, I don't have the time to sell them, and when I do, deffinitely not below market value. Applying juice is extremely difficult and requires much practice and experience - therefore I do each deck myself and it is always a custom job. Since I almost never sell them, on the few occasions I do ( only to repeat customers ), it isn't worth my time unless I am charging alot. So I guess it is partly a supply/demand issue, the fact that applying juice takes experience and can only be done by me, and the fact that I don't ussually sell them (thus the premium).
For more information about juice decks, please go to: http://www.cardsorcerer.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=107
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| Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:04 pm |
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Sean
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is there anywhere to learn how to mark cards?
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| Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:31 pm |
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hondo928
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i want to know because i became intrested in them after watching shade i dont use them in a card game because that would be to easy to win
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| Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:26 pm |
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hondo928
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CardSorcerer
If you are just starting off trying to read the cards what decks would you recomend
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| Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:02 pm |
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There are some books out there that will cover one or two marking techniques. However, there aren't any books that I know of that will teach you advanced marking techniques.
In my opinnion, a marked deck is a very personal thing. So what may work for some people won't for others. If you are an amateur, get something marked by suit and number. If your a pro, I recommend a deck with only the important cards marked. Many magicians just mark the aces in the deck - very effective for verifying a force and much much more.
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| Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:14 pm |
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Oh, and the best marking systems for decks would have to be "glimmer" marked decks (for Bees and Bikes), tint work (for any kind of deck), or juice work (also for any kind of deck). These decks are much more expensive than normal sets of marked cards, however, they are much more professional in all regards. Finding them is slightly more tricky, although there are numerous resources for these online. |
Could you get a link?? 
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| Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:41 pm |
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Hi Jim,
Typically, Juice decks cost between $60 - $100; however, finding someone who makes them is the hard thing. I used to sell them; however, many magicians (all of whom I had a profound respect for) contacted me and asked me not to sell them. It is considered by many to be the best marking system around.
I think juice decks are the best marked decks there are. However, they require much practice to see and use. More importantly, neophytes to marked cards really didn't appreciate them for what they are - the best marked decks around. A juice deck shouldn't be a layperson's first set of marked cards - its like giving a teenager a ferrari (with an automatic transmission) as there first car.
Anyways, to answer your question, I don't have the time to sell them, and when I do, deffinitely not below market value. Applying juice is extremely difficult and requires much practice and experience - therefore I do each deck myself and it is always a custom job. Since I almost never sell them, on the few occasions I do ( only to repeat customers ), it isn't worth my time unless I am charging alot. So I guess it is partly a supply/demand issue, the fact that applying juice takes experience and can only be done by me, and the fact that I don't ussually sell them (thus the premium). |
Could you tell me how to do these ? Please I would really appreciate it.
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| Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:49 pm |
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Look at card sorcerer's webpage.
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| Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:30 pm |
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Look at card sorcerer's webpage. |
Link ??
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| Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:32 pm |
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| Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:35 pm |
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Cardcorceror,
I am very interested in marked cards but one thing is a problem. I have no idea what im talking about. I see on your web page you sell glimmer, luminous shade, and tint work decks. Judging by their price, the must be good. But i do not know how they operate so if you could please tell me then i could get to purchasing some decks. Thank you.
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| Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:29 pm |
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i became interested in marked decks because both my brother and I are very intrigued by magic tricks and this would help us invent new routines i don't play cards so I will not cheat with them if you are wondering. Oh yeah, this is the guy that wanted to know what glimmer, luminous shade, and tint work decks are and how they work and operate. Thank you. The name is James.
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| Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:33 pm |
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He hasn't been here in awhile; don't know if you're going to have too much luck with that.
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| Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:42 pm |
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Eric
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The Lance Burton Marked Deck is on sale Here at Uncles Games.
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| Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:02 am |
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Jim
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But most magicians, or gamblers, are probably going to want popular name brand decks (Bikes, Bees, kems... etc). These are all also available, although they normally are more pricey then the cheap 'magic' ones.
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| Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:18 am |
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Do kem Cards have the same texture as regular cards? Im hoping so because I don't want to play with some plastic shit. If anyone can help with that it would be greatly appreciated. Also, I too am very interested about the different techniques of marking cards. If someone could explain the methods mentioned by James I would also appreciate that very much. Thank you.
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| Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:13 pm |
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kem cards are much better for playing poker (they last much longer, and don't get marked or bent out of shape easily), however they do not do as well for flourishes and card manipulation, although they do suffice.
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| Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:45 pm |
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If anyone out there knows where cardsorceror is please tell him to reply to my message this is james from a previous post thanks
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| Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:44 pm |
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Hi.
For magical uses, my vote would go for Eureka Deck.
Also, try marking and stacking in Aronson or Tamariz's order.
Bob Farmer, at Flim Flam in Magic Magazine (or was it Genii???) has a system published. In fact, several.
KR
Daniel de Urquiza
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sorry about all the flaming in this topic......i didn't know it was going on or it would've been cleaned up a long time ago....i have deleted all the posts that did not relate to the subject of this thread
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| Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:16 pm |
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hondo928
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is the NU CON applied the same way as juice and is that website have real juice for sale. Also i was wondering if their is any possible way for me to learn how to correctly apply these techniques. That website makes it seem real easy but im not sure if it really is any help please?
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| Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:13 am |
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| Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:45 pm |
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expertmagician
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All shade type work is easy to apply. The formulas are a garded secret and can be tricky to manufacture.
In addition, you are also better off marking your own cards vs. buying a pre-marked deck. In this way you can design your own marking patterns so others will not be able to recognize the marks even if they know about Luminous solutions or JUICE.
This just adds to the deception.
Just my 2 cents for what it is worth.
Also take a peak at:
http://markedcards.bizhosting.com/Marked_cards.htm
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| Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:58 pm |
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expertmagician
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| JUICE & Luminous markings (NU-CONcept) |
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My understanding is the NU-CON is selling several products. They seam to have Luminous products and JUICE.
JUICE does not require sunglasses to read just practice and training.
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| Sat Sep 11, 2004 9:05 pm |
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ok here is a secret i can let out but im not sure if it passes the riffle test if ne one can get ahold of blacklight paper its a stickypaper used on windshields of like riceburners stuff like that not the tint.
you can take some lemon juice and use that and it will work its only good for magic tricks it can be use for cheating but you need to take the paper can put it on clear glasses not sun have fun.
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| Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:24 pm |
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expertmagician
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Mmmmm.... interesting idea. As a matter of fact some people have thought of using lemon juice and other liquids which glow inder UV light for marking.
I have even seen people hide a small black light up their sleeve with a hidden switch and when the light hit the cards they would glow the markings. Sounds obvoius, but if no one knows what to look for or when to look they should not see it. (you are only talking about leaving the light on for a second or 2)
Personally, that method not not sound very practicle. But, good creative thinking.
Thanx!
As far as http://markedcards.bizhosting.com/Marked_cards.htm is concerned .... the question is not weather the Luminous, JUICE or FLASH works. I think everyone knows that they can buy pre-marked decks using these variations of shade.
NU-CON is simply offering the actual solutions and/or paste (daub) to make your own cards and develop your own marking patterns using the solutions themselves.
Enjoy!
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| Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:19 am |
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Didn't he get banned?
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| Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:31 pm |
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expertmagician
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Funny that Jim complained, since I noticed that he did plug another vendors web site earlier in the post string...so I guess it's OK for him.
I know that links to web sites, even if product oriented usually have useful information available to people in our community.
Again, if anyone has useful links please feel free to post them.
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| Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:46 pm |
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expertmagician
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Sorry about my reply...I was upset when I felt like I was being attacked. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Hopefully, we can agree to disagree.
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| Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:19 pm |
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expertmagician
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Offer for Jim,
Peace proposal.....
In order to prove to you that my Lumninous, JUICE and FLASH products are the finest on the market today I will be happy to send you a sample card made with my solution.
You will have to eMail me to tell me how much experience you have reading "shade" (Luminous, JUICE or FLASH) and send me your last name and address. In this way, I can send you a sample card with light, medium or heavy shade.
After you receive the sample card, I am sure will will realize the I sell only high quality merchandise and I would appreciate a retraction of your above negative comment.
This offer is only for Jim who critized my product above because each card is hand made which takes time from my real job. Sorry, I can't make samples for everybody. (even a minute a card adds up in time)
Feel free to Mail me at: magician4hire@hotmail.com
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| Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:18 am |
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um hi i just bought some of that solution
i dont think it works very well if you tilt the card you can see that mark annd i think i know what his solution is i would rather have just bought a premarked deck
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:58 pm |
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expertmagician
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I don't know if you applied think or several thin coats. My instructions state that if you use several thin coats or a mist/spray you will not damage the finish.
But if you do burn the finish, I have a section in the instructions which tell you how to completely restore the card's finish if the solution happens to burn the finish. It is a 30 second operation. Please eMail me and I'll recap how this is done and tell you where in the instructions it tells you what to do if this problem occurs.
Plz eMail me at magician4hire@hotmail.com
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:55 pm |
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hondo928
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expertmagican can you please try to sombine your thread 1/4 of the threads on this post are you and most are back to back
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| Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:31 am |
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