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freemedic30
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Wondering if any of you have seen a shot like the one I'm about to describe. As much pool as I watch and read, and surf I can't recall having seen this one anywhere. May be to simple of a shot for people with the skills of Yow and you guys. Curious though if you all have seen it before?
1 Ball: Start Position: 1.5-1.75 diamonds from the corner pocket frozen to the long rail.
2 Ball: Start Position: 1.25 diamonds from the corner pocket frozen/1/8" to/from the short rail.
CB: Start Position: 1.5-1.75 diamonds from the corner pocket frozen/ 1/8" to/from the short rail.
9 Ball: Start Position: Centered in the corner pocket.
Shoot the CB, with a masse stroke, into the 1 Ball to pocket it cross side, and have the CB spin back to pocket the 9 Ball in the corner pocket, with or without scratching. (Preferably without scratching) lol.
I know it's possible only because I did it by accident yesterday while messing around on the table. Tried it a dozen more times and managed to make it three more times. For me it seems fairly difficult, but very pretty if completed successfully. Was wondering if this had been done before, or if I stumbled onto a new shot?  lol
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| Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:13 am |
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ppooler
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I can't imagine that. You could use one of these empty diagrams, that I've put here, next time.
Use free software Gimp for the editing.
First sample is APTSA pattern, second is from Bogdan Wolkowski website, and the third is from Tim Chin website...
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| Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:15 am |
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venom trickshots
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| Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:39 am |
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freemedic30
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Ok, when I get home today, I'll dl the images and then show the shot. Any place to uload the finished image to the net? I currently don't have anywhere to put it?
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| Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:22 am |
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freemedic30
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1 Ball: Start Position: 1.5-1.75 diamonds from the corner pocket frozen to the long rail.
2 Ball: Start Position: 1.25 diamonds from the corner pocket frozen/1/8" to/from the short rail.
CB: Start Position: 1.5-1.75 diamonds from the corner pocket frozen/ 1/8" to/from the short rail.
9 Ball: Start Position: Centered in the corner pocket.
Shoot the CB, with a masse stroke, into the 1 Ball to pocket it cross side, and have the CB spin back to pocket the 9 Ball in the corner pocket, with or without scratching. (Preferably without scratching) lol.
Hope this helps?
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| Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:45 pm |
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ppooler
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well, I understand now, but to control the exact direction either the cue ball or mainly the first object ball is pretty difficult.
Actually, I tried this position (according this diagram) with a draw stroke, straight into the first object ball and I make it as well.
So that needs any adjustment, I think...
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| Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:15 am |
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T-buzz
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| Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:31 am |
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freemedic30
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Pooler, how did you manage to make both balls with just a draw shot? Did you hit the one thin, or straight on with bottom right english? It didn't seem possible to me with such a simple stroke. Seems like you would hit the one, and the cue ball would come straight back at the two ball. Which is why I went with the masse stroke to get both the one ball and the 9 ball. Could you explain what you did to make it with a draw stroke?
T-buzz, it is difficult for sure. I made it the first time, but tried 12 mroe times and only made it 3 more times. The rest of the time I could only make one of the two balls but not both. Going to continue practiciing it until I can do it with some consistancy. It's a beautiful shot when completed successfully. I would personally say it's more difficult than the Minguad masse shot, but I'm no pro either. lol
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| Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:01 am |
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ppooler
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OK , it's my fault , I had a little different setup - the cue ball wasn't frozen to the short rail, but with a small gap....
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| Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:19 am |
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freemedic30
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ah, ok, that would explain it then. Still not that easy of shot to do even with a little space between the cue ball and the rail. Been watching some of you vids. Impressive.
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| Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:24 am |
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ppooler
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Oh, thanks ...Actually, I've decided to go back to school, this year (after the summertime), so I'll a little neglect trick shots, altogether... I'm learning, recently- all the time.
Is it quite hard, to tell the truth - math is simply horrible...Luckily there is also English as a required subject, and it'll maybe fun to me. 
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| Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:38 am |
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T-buzz
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to freemedic:
does it really make that little arch? because i cant imagine the 1 ball having enough speed to get to the other side of the table when hit like that. if you were to hit it nearly dead on with massé, the cue ball might even get a little bit more up table before coming down to make the 9 ball. that is a nice addition to your shot maybe? :p
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:07 am |
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venom trickshots
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ive done your shot today, 6 attemps to do it but i can't made it in 3 attemps even with the training!maybe yow can do it first time, the masse shot is really easy to control but the bank is hard!!btw great shot you invented!!
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:57 am |
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freemedic30
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I put the arch in there to represent the kind of spin on the cb. Doesn't necessarily do that exactly. The bank portion is very tuff. Takes an exact hit. The speed and spin of the cb helps the 1 get into the pocket. I have made it a couple times in the top right corner. Although the true shot is in the side.
If yow can confirm that this is an original shot, I have only two problems to deal with. What on earth to call it, and two mastering it myself. lol
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:22 am |
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freemedic30
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Well guys, since this shot is an original, I'm going to lay claim to it by calling it the "Pie" shot. The reason I decided on this name is because the path of the balls looks like the mathematical symbol for pie = 3.142. Hehe. Maybe yow will use it in a competition sometime and make it famous. LOL (Yow, hint hint.) lol
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| Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:05 am |
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T-buzz
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| Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:13 pm |
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yow
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"hint hint"
Ha Ha!
-yow!
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| Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:14 am |
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freemedic30
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lol thought you might like that one yow.
Tbuzz, if you look at the paths of the balls, it has a similarity, not exact, but similar.
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| Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:24 pm |
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very lucky for you to have made it i guess :p