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Dy-lan
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You know how at casinos the felt often says the name of the casino on it? Example everyone will know--- on the WSOP it says levitra on the table and it has those horseshoes?
Where can I have a custom felt for my Poker Table made, where I could like upload the graphic and they do it for me?
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:40 pm |
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Da-Sh
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I'm not sure myself, but I think that's a damn good question. Do you have a fabric store around you? I would suggest calling them up and asking if they would be able to put a logo or some text onto felt for you. They might even have good felt handy (don't get regular felt though... you need something that will give you less in the way of hairballs. Search the forums really quick for the "building table" threads to find out what sorts of felt people find work for them)
Let us know what you find out though, eh?
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:55 pm |
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RiverboatWillie
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I've been wondering the exact same thing. Not only do I build tables, but I'm working on a bachelors in printing, so I have huge interest in both fields. You'd think of anyone, I'd have the best set of knowledge bases to pick and get the info from, but I can't find anything. I know the ones on WSOP aren't iron ons, and they're not stencils either. I'm thinking they're either screen printed, or done with dye sublimation. The setback that screenprinting would present, is that to dry screen printing inks, you have to run the substrate through a very hot dryer, and that would shrink most wool felt. (i think) Dye sublimation on the other hand, is alot like an iron on, but it uses special inks and printers, and instead of leaving a colorful "film" on top of the substrate, it actually embeds the ink into the substrate itself. If anyone knows how they're doing these graphics, I would really like to know!
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TuTone
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i'll ask at my casino........we have graphics on two of our tables......i'll find out when i go back to work hopefully
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| Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:54 am |
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Jim
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I actually looked into this before, and the best idea that's come up so far is airbrushing. If you can find an airbrush artist in your area they supposably can do this on felt. I asked a few local artists and they all said it was doable.
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| Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:50 pm |
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CJohnson481
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could they do it on suede? cause i got faux suede on my table and damn do i want a slick graphic on my table..
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| Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:20 pm |
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Julohan
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you could do an iron on graphic
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| Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:30 am |
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Da-Sh
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you could do an iron on graphic |
The only problem I can think of with this is that the cards could start to get caught on the graphic and rip up the edge. More than just the cards though, but the poker chips being dragged across the table could very easily bring up the edges (which would such).
Airbrushing sounds good to me 
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| Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:29 pm |
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Hi. I was just browsing these forums and noticed your question on Poker Table printing. It is done via a process called "Subliminal Printing" and it`s NOT cheap to do.
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:35 am |
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RiverboatWillie
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Hi. I was just browsing these forums and noticed your question on Poker Table printing. It is done via a process called "Subliminal Printing" and it`s NOT cheap to do.
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Not to nit pick... but it's technically called "dye sublimation printing" in case you were going to research or try and have it done. Just a little extra info.
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bryan_h
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Atually it seems to be dye-sublimation transfer that happens on table felt. Its a heat transfer, much like an iron-on, but doesnt have that edge that can peel up the way iron-ons do. I would check with t-shirt printers in your area to find out if they use the dye-sublimation process. Work with them to come up with a design you like, then get it transferred to your felt.
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| Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:45 am |
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Atually it seems to be dye-sublimation transfer that happens on table felt. Its a heat transfer, much like an iron-on, but doesnt have that edge that can peel up the way iron-ons do. I would check with t-shirt printers in your area to find out if they use the dye-sublimation process. Work with them to come up with a design you like, then get it transferred to your felt. |
Again, just so that people have correct information if they are looking to have this done, i'll add a little to this. The process itself is called "Dye-sublimation Printing" and the product of that process is a "Dye-sublimation Transfer" The way this process is different from an iron-on heat transfer or any other type of printing, is this:
Special inks are used on a special "Transfer Paper"
The Transfer is then applied to the substrate using a heat transfer press.
(here's the main difference between Dye-sub, and An Iron on)
Iron ons use a film that contains the pigments and is heated to stick to the substrate.
Dye-sublimation is different because the pigments from the special inks actually imbed themselves into the substrate material at a molecular level. This leaves no film or different surface texture. The heat press is only used to keep the transfer paper in the correct registration, and to heat the inks to cause this reaction.
I don't want to try to come off as someone who constantly has to correct people, but this is something I know about and wanted everyone to have the correct information on. Thanks for your additions.
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| Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:48 am |
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CJohnson481
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| Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:44 pm |
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bryan_h
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Atually it seems to be dye-sublimation transfer that happens on table felt. Its a heat transfer, much like an iron-on, but doesnt have that edge that can peel up the way iron-ons do. I would check with t-shirt printers in your area to find out if they use the dye-sublimation process. Work with them to come up with a design you like, then get it transferred to your felt. |
Again, just so that people have correct information if they are looking to have this done, i'll add a little to this. The process itself is called "Dye-sublimation Printing" and the product of that process is a "Dye-sublimation Transfer" The way this process is different from an iron-on heat transfer or any other type of printing, is this:
Special inks are used on a special "Transfer Paper"
The Transfer is then applied to the substrate using a heat transfer press.
(here's the main difference between Dye-sub, and An Iron on)
Iron ons use a film that contains the pigments and is heated to stick to the substrate.
Dye-sublimation is different because the pigments from the special inks actually imbed themselves into the substrate material at a molecular level. This leaves no film or different surface texture. The heat press is only used to keep the transfer paper in the correct registration, and to heat the inks to cause this reaction.
I don't want to try to come off as someone who constantly has to correct people, but this is something I know about and wanted everyone to have the correct information on. Thanks for your additions. |
Thanks for the corrections and extra information. Are you in a business that uses this process?
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| Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:55 pm |
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RiverboatWillie
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Great help there! Thanks for finding those. And to answer bryan's question, no i'm not in a business that uses this... yet. I'm acutally majoring in Graphic Communications Management (long term for printing) My high school had a very nice self funded lab that had dye sub. I learned alot about it but was never actually able to apply it to anything.
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| Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:26 pm |
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CJohnson481
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youre welcome willie. any guesstimations on how much it would cost? what materials is it good on?
for instance, i have red faux suede as my "felt". you think it would would on that? prolly have to use just like a black outline of a graphic.
have some extra cash to blow and think my table would look extra pimp with that on it, or for when i make my next one.
EDIT: do you have to do it on the table before the "felt" is applied, or even though my table is constructed, could they use the process on the suede?
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| Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:19 pm |
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RiverboatWillie
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youre welcome willie. any guesstimations on how much it would cost? what materials is it good on?
for instance, i have red faux suede as my "felt". you think it would would on that? prolly have to use just like a black outline of a graphic.
have some extra cash to blow and think my table would look extra pimp with that on it, or for when i make my next one.
EDIT: do you have to do it on the table before the "felt" is applied, or even though my table is constructed, could they use the process on the suede? |
I'm not sure what the going rate is... but i'm sure you can find that online somewhere. I do know that they will not be able to do it directly on your tabletop, unless they have a heat transfer press that's 4' x 8' and won't mess up your rail  Depending upon how you attatch your suede, you should be able to take it off, send it to them, and reattatch it. I'm fairly certain they can do it on suede. (they can do it on pretty much anything... including solid plastic) I'm not sure exactly what type of material the casinos use for their layouts, but i'd really like to have some. I went to the casino this weekend to play some blackjack, and the casino totally revamped their BJ tables. The new layouts are black with a silver starburst and cool full color graphics. The material itself is soft, almost like a mix between felt, velveteen and cotton. In any case, i hope i helped.
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| Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:35 pm |
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CJohnson481
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i have removable rails. im slick like that.
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:30 pm |
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RiverboatWillie
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Yeah, so do mine, but just so that you didn't take it the wrong way, that was a joke. You will need to remove the material for them to do it. I'm sure the foam under your play surface if they used the heat transfer press on it. Good job on the table, if you need tips on your rail construciton/vinyl work let me know.
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CJohnson481
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yeah, i might for the next one i make.
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| Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:14 am |
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I'm into graphic design and I stumbled onto this thread while finding out about dye subs... I just happen to know a place that actually does these types of graphics on poker tables exclusively. They build and sell poker tables out of Connecticut. They're called PokerCats and have a website at http://www.pokercats.com They're into doing stuff like flames and lightning and stuff. You can also find some of they're designs on Ebay.
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SoopaNoobie
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Go to MrPokerChips.com & TOTALLY customize your felt! |
Holy Spamfuck Batman........could you be a bit more blatant? At least get an original name and say you had some excellent work done by them or something......You fu*king spammers are worse than a bad case of herpes......at least herpes goes away for a while......  
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| Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:02 am |
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Im glad I found this websight. Ive have been looking for a long time on how to customize felt. I also cant get anyone to tell me what the exact material of felt that casinos use. I used synthetic wool on my first table, but plan on using velveteen next. I went ahead and had a t-shirt store make my logo for me. its a basic iron on. thats why I used 2 logos on the ends instead of one in the middle, so that they dont get alot of traffic on them. I also wasnt too please with my rails. the plans called for pillow matting stuffing. I could really use some tips on building the railing on my next table. anyway, here is a pic of my table.
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Ok, first off....A really good site is scottkeen.com/forum for Poker Table building stuff
Anyways, the BEST way to get a graphic on your table is airbrushing. You can take them to your local t shirt shop in the mall or something and have them do it. The best fabric to do this with is velveteen(can be purchased at joann's). Suede works well but billiard felt does not, although it still works. Iron ons dont work that well but it is a nice cheap solution for it. A simple graphic should cost you 40 bucks. If you go through a Poker Table graphic customization shop they will charge you upwards of 200 bucks.. Definetly not worth it. You can also do it yourself by buying an acrylic based paint and one of those clear sheets that they use for projectors. Print the graphic off on a regular sheet of paper and use an exacto knife to cut the projector paper into the shape you want. This is a good method, however you should always test it on a separate sheet of felt and be careful.
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Hello - Anyone interested in hi-quality full color custom sublimation, please feel free to contact me for a quote. Our custom capabilities allow for [b][i]any[/i][/b] image to be permanently fused within a substrate. We have experience with gaming surfaces, poker chips, ceramic/stone/glass tile mural bar counter tops, etc.
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| Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:55 am |
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Given the tone of your message I obviously need to reread the registration text. Sorry. I discovered this site while looking for playing cards and saw a fit. Please disregard or delete my message.
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| Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:06 am |
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Here's my Poker Table that pokercats did for me. I'm a huge dead fan in case you couldn't tell. These were taken in their shop a few weeks ago.
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| Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:58 pm |
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All I gotta say is "Sweet fu*king Jesus" that is one sick piece of artwork..........Very nice!!!!!!!!! 
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Were one of the largest manufacturers of holdem tables in the USA and weve had enormous problems printing the felt. It cant go through the heat curing oven of a silkscreener-- the felt dont handle the temperatuer well. We use dye sub and thermal transfer but its still not as vibrant as we would like to see. We're introducing a new table kit soon that will be sold WITHOUT the wood top-- and includes THREE felts-- blue, green and red-- but the material can go through the oven so you can get this silk screened no problem.
THis way the table kit can be shipped using UPS and FEDEX cheaply- and all you need do is have a top made of wood- its cheaper then spending 100+ bucks to ship a heavy table== plus you'll have all three felt colors AND they can be printed.
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WoW, nice!
Good to hear producers are thinking in players perspective!
Can't wait to see the result of that story...
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But dye subbing requires the material to be white, right Joe? I was looking at this option to do a thermal transfer to my table, but the effort was more than I expected.
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We can do custom printing on table felts. We charge $50 and it includes the table felt. It is the standard Hold-Em felt and the price is for one color. More colors are available for a slightly higher price. All custom work is printed and shipped within 7 days. If your interested just email me or visit our website at www.stlouispokersupply.com[/url]
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