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SteveA
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I only do tourney's, and I'm thinking about the following:
250 $100 chips
150 $500 chips
This would give 10 players 40 chips to start in a $10000 tourney.
Thoughts?
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SteveA
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No comments???
Is there any disadvantage compared to a 250, 200, 250, 100, 50 breakdown??
The only thing I can think of is the blind schedules, but these can be adjusted...
Thx,
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www.homepokertourney.com has a page that addresses how many chips you should have to hold a 1000 chip, 10 player tourney.
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SteveA
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I eneded up getting enough for 8 players to start with:
25 $1 chips
15 $5 chips
I also got 120 .25c and 60 $25.
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I eneded up getting enough for 8 players to start with:
25 $1 chips
15 $5 chips
I also got 120 .25c and 60 $25. |
That's a big difference from a $10,000 chip start. I like using 4 denoms, 5, 25, 100, 500. Off topic, why would anyone use 5 and 10 chips? I like to use chips that at least save 4 chips of space, you don't save much by coloring up from 5's to 10's. Just an observation. You're $1, and 5$ don't give you a lot of room to add for re-buys if you opt for that, by having multiple denoms you can keep people in the game that bust out by coloring up others and giving out more(edit, just reread your post and realize you did get more chips, my bad). Although, I hate rebuys, but when I invite my father to play he'd get bored if he couldn't rebay after going out after 10 minutes as per usual...
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Off topic, why would anyone use 5 and 10 chips?
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I think I can answer this. Suppose you have a limit of 50 or 100 Cent (or $100, €100,...) and you play with buddies that bet in multiples of 10 most of the time but wants to have an ante and minimal bet of 5 also. You could do this with denoms of value 5 and 25, but some people prefer to use chips with a denom of 10 (four chips of 10 instead of 8 chips of 5 or 1*25+3*5 for example). It's just a matter of taste in my oppinion. The complexity and the space occupied by the chips increases a little, but not much.
Personally I would agree with you and get rid of some denoms (I would prefer 10,50,200,... or non-denoms if possible), but this distribution it has worked very well for us so far. But I have to admit that we are not playing tournaments and we are playing with an unusual betting limit.
Before I have ordered my chipset we have played with cheap chips of denoms 5, 10, 25, 50 and 100. The chips with value of 10 were used most of the time (the 5 chips only for ante or if there were no chips of value 10 left). So I've ordered chips of the same denoms for my chipcos but we will not use the 25 denoms if possible.
BTW: AFAIR they have used chips of value $2000 and $5000 in the "Poker Party World Open" and it has worked for them also. There is not much difference in using 5/10 or 2000/5000 chips IMHO.
André
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SteveA
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99% - it is a big difference, but for tourney purposes it's all the same. Also, I don't do rebuys.
Nereid - that's a cool lookin cat.
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Bevesocth
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imho, I can't really see an advantage to having more than two denoms, as long as you have enough of the larger denoms.
Say for example you have your $100 and $500 ch|ps, you should have enough ch|ps to trade in all the $100 ch|ps when blinds or antes are up to $500 or more, even allowing rebuys. So my suggestion would be to get around the same amount of each ch|p, say 250/250. That's what I'd get anyways, but probably just me being weird. 
btw, the pauls0ns 100's and 500's look awsome
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99%Evil
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imho, I can't really see an advantage to having more than two denoms, as long as you have enough of the larger denoms.
Say for example you have your $100 and $500 ch|ps, you should have enough ch|ps to trade in all the $100 ch|ps when blinds or antes are up to $500 or more, even allowing rebuys. So my suggestion would be to get around the same amount of each ch|p, say 250/250. That's what I'd get anyways, but probably just me being weird.
btw, the pauls0ns 100's and 500's look awsome
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With only 2 denoms after a tourney has gone on for a while and the blinds have incresed to a large amount as they should (going uo every 10-15 minutes) it gets to be a pain if you spend more time counting out chips for blinds than actually playing hands. If you get a 5, 25, 100, 500 breakdown you can start your blinds at 5/10 and after several hours the blinds are 500/1000 if you have $500 chips it's easy to post blinds.
Another thought is that you can have more people play if you happen to have a night where you get more people than usual. With multiple denoms you can break out the higher chips to give everyones stack so that there's plenty of chips to go around.
Just my 2 cents, some folks will disagree, I just happen to like this arrangement, you may like another way. As long as you're playing it's all good.
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I generally use 25 50 100 500 1000 5000
Start with about (can vary depending on how I feel)
25X10
50X10
100X10
500X6
1000X6
5000X1
Start the blinds at
25-50 and raise every 10-15 minutes depending on how we feel...ususall 15 though.
25-50
50-100
100-200
200-400
300-600
500-1000
1000-2000
2000-4000
3000-6000
5000-10000 etc... (it does'nt get this far all that often)
The average games probably last 90 minutes with quick one ending in an hour with ones that drag out once in a while taking like 2 hours or so....depends on how many players as well....we usually have 6 to 11
Sometimes with less player we will give more chips....less chips and quicker blind raise with more players sometimes.
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99% - it is a big difference, but for tourney purposes it's all the same. Also, I don't do rebuys.
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So where is the difference in using 2000/5000 and 5/10 (except for their absolute value)? The first one is factor 2.5 and the second 2.0. Not much difference for me. If 2000/5000 work, then 5/10 will work also if all other denoms are in comparable ranges.
But I would avoid fractional factors like 2.5 anyway.
BTW: There is another more psychological reason for using more then one or two denoms IMHO. Using a limit of 100 a bet of 50 (or 100) would be noticed as a medium to big bet. With denoms of 50 betting such a chip leads some people to chase the chip not the value ("hey! a $50-chip!" ). They call sometimes even if they shouldn't and sometimes they fold, because the other one has taken a risk to lose a big chip. Completely irrational, but sometimes this has happened to some of my buddies in the past I think. This could not happen with 5/25-denoms because you have much of them and so there is nothing special to a 25 chip.
Back to the topic: I do not have any experience in tournaments so far, but I would go for non-denoms if possible, so it's easy to adjust the value of each chip. Unfortunately there are not many non-demon designs out there. 
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Nereid - that's a cool lookin cat.
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Thanks. It's one of our two cats calle "Blue". Most of the time I choose this picture as an avatar.
André
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Bevesocth
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I generally use 25 50 100 500 1000 5000
Start with about (can vary depending on how I feel)
25X10
50X10
100X10
500X6
1000X6
5000X1
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Here I would drop the 50's, as it's just 2x25 and 1/2x100. I see no problem using 2x25's instead of a 50, and after a few rounds most people are fully capable of counting out any number of chips from 1-5 and beyond.
fully ignoring the bit about psychology and "chasing the 5-0," but imho, if you make a bet, the value of the bet, not the chase-value, should decide a call/fold/raise. bad beats come from bad callers or something, right?
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Nereid
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fully ignoring the bit about psychology and "chasing the 5-0," but imho, if you make a bet, the value of the bet, not the chase-value, should decide a call/fold/raise. bad beats come from bad callers or something, right?
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Exactly. Not all people play poker well (including me ). But I have observed the talking in our games and when a big chip is used, some players talk about that (especially in the beginning).
It's of course possible to play with fewer denoms. In our case 5 and 25 would be enough most of the time. But I would prefer to use at least three denoms. My buddies want more, just because it's fun for them - ok, they'll will get them (only at the beginning hopefully )
The disadvantages in using denoms like 5/10 or 50/100 are overrated in my oppinion (at least for non-tournament games). The greatest disadvantage is the extra cost you have to pay for the chips - but you get them anyway (just in another denom). You don't need those denoms, but hey - there are quite a few things out there you don't need but are part of your life everyday.
André
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Well, if was up to me we would probably elimanate the 25's and 50's and just start with 100-200 blinds. But it seems people like it that way for some reason and it can make the game last a little longer.
As the game progresses...like when the small blind hits a 100 or 200 we start to cash in and eliminate the smaller chips (25's 100's).....and so on as the blinds get higher.
I guess maybe it makes people feel like they have more money to play with when you have so many different chips.... 
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