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Practicing Riffle Stacking?      Chip Tricks, Card Tricks, Pool Trick Shots, Penspinning Forum Index » Card Tricks - Magic and Flourishes View previous topic View next topic Practicing Riffle Stacking? Author Message jesse 4 Of A Kind Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Planet MELMAC Practicing Riffle Stacking? Hi! Jeff Wessmiller says in his Cardshark DVD, that the best way to practice riffle stacking is to practice holding back just one card, then two cards, the three cards and so on. If find I can hold back cards much easier with my left hand. But if I ever intend to stack more than ONE card, I will have to learn how to hold back more cards with my right hand. Do you guys position your hand like Darwin Ortiz, or do you use any other grip? My main goal now is to be able to stack just a pair in an at least 5-6 handed game. _________________ Got cat? Fri May 13, 2005 1:59 am Drey Straight Flush Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 699 There are probably a number of methods you could try both for holding back cards and for practicing. Basically when I started I was always holding back cards with both hands because rather than trying to just practice holding back cards I was practicing riffle stacking simple hands. Naturally, you need to be able to hold back cards with both hands, so I would just practice a simple procedure, say stacking four of a kind in a three hand game over the course of four shuffles. Something else you consider are other methods of holding back cards, perhaps use other methods while you are learning, or in combination with holding back cards by feel. For example, holding back one side by feel and another side by sight, then switch, until gradually you can hold back both sides by sight. Ultimately, I suspect you are going to have to abandon stacking by feel in favor of other methods. It's fine when you are stacking four of a kind in two shuffles in a four hand game and things like that, it means you only have to hold back six cards per shuffle. I can hold back eight, so it's doable. But hypothetically, if you were to stacking four of a kind in one shuffle in a five hand game you would need to hold back sixteen cards, which when done by feel is extremely difficult, thus personally I resort to other methods. Fri May 13, 2005 5:41 am jesse 4 Of A Kind Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Planet MELMAC thx Hi! Thanks Drey, I´ll try that. Basically it all just comes down to practice. _________________ Got cat? Fri May 13, 2005 7:25 am Drey Straight Flush Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 699 Practice and technique, don't underestimate either one. Fri May 13, 2005 7:05 pm Drey Straight Flush Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 699 A few tips to keep in mind. Are you beveling the deck before you riffle? Are you providing a lot of pressure to the top middle of the deck with your forefinger? Ask yourself, what allows me to feel how many cards I have held back? Generally, people find that as the cards bend towards the end they separate and this allows you to feel with a greater level of accuracy how many cards you have. There are two things you need to maintain, the first and most important, is individual card control. You need to ensure that the cards riffle off your thumbs one at a time. The second, is your ability to feel how many cards you are holding back. Something else to consider in practice. Don't try to go by feel initially, instead, go by sight, practice holding back say 4 card by sight, do this over and over, always holding back 4 and only 4 cards, do so with both hands at once when you are done. In a lot of ways this is like learning to type or training a dog. If you do it right, you'll become familiar with it, because while you are making the decision by sight, you are also feeling something familiar and building muscle memory. Gradually this will allow you to stop looking and your body will remember what 4 cards feels like. Then you can practice varying the number of cards. Rinse and repeat, do it a thousand times and you'll start to get good, do it 30 000 times and you should have it down pat. To draw the dog training analogy. I taught my dog to sit based on visual commands, namely a finger held up in a certain manner. The way I did this was to give the finger command at the same time as I said "sit" (a command he already knew), after a period of time I stopped saying sit and would merely raise my finger, he had sub-consciously associated the two and so sat down automatically. You can train yourself in a similar manner, use fixed methods in combination with feel, then remove the fixed methods and you'll be able to operate by feel alone. I hope that helps a little. Sat May 14, 2005 11:04 am jesse 4 Of A Kind Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Planet MELMAC thx! Hi! Thanks Drey! Great reply, I´ll do that!!!! _________________ Got cat? Sat May 14, 2005 12:07 pm Tom Ace 4 Of A Kind Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 209 Location: Maastricht, the Netherlands stacking Indeed a great reply. I started practicing by feel alone. Now I've read this it seems more natural to start practicing also by sight. I thought that if you start looking at the cards, you will keep looking at them. But now I read it, I know this is the way to get it right. Thanks. _________________ "Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today" -James Dean- Tue May 17, 2005 5:15 am Drey Straight Flush Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 699 The problem with practicing by feel alone is that you often inadvertently hold back the wrong number of cards and so your finger tips don't build the memory of what a given number of cards feel like, or at least it takes longer to do so. By using a method where you ensure the correct number of cards are held back you establish consistency in feel and thus the finger tip memory becomes stronger. Anyway, I'm glad that helped you. Tue May 17, 2005 10:55 am jesse 4 Of A Kind Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Planet MELMAC I agree Hi! I agree...the same thing applies to practicing an instrument for example. Actually..the muscles learn faster if the movement is slow and the mind is active on the same level...The mind should guide the muscles, not the other way round. _________________ Got cat? 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